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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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    For the "You have that power too" it's in Rotj in the same scenes that "The Force is strong in my family".

    Leia told Luke she doesn't understand the Force and Luke told her : You're wrong Leia, you have that power too.
     
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    That's not what is being said in the movie.

    Maz says" whomever, you're waiting for, they're never coming back" (she doesn't mention family, maybe she suspects something)
    Maz also doesn't say that Rey can bring Luke back, she says: "But.. there's someone who still could" (with Rey instantly replying "Luke"). This is all within the emotional context of family (when Rey says "I have to go back to Jakku")

    This leaves a lot of room for different interpretations, and this is probably what the writers want. They don't want to tell it us right in our faces but the answer is in there....

    See, when children watch TFA you know what they think when Maz says these lines? Luke is Rey's father, that is what children think.
    "Truly wonderful the mind of a child is" (yoda 2)

    Children don't over analyze this stuff as we adults do, look to the movie through the eyes of a child.
     
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    BUT Rey states earlier in the film that she is waiting for her family.
    Thus Maz is either utterly inept or lying.
    As she is painted as being both a wise, Force aware ally I suggest that she is trying to help Rey, is being honest with her and saying what she is feeling/aware of/
    Maz tells her that who she is waiting for isn't coming back. She says it with conviction. So she is telling Rey that her family is not coming back but that Luke can.


    BUT it is blatantly obvious that Maz is trying to get Rey to "take the saber" to Luke. She clearly sees that Rey has a role to play in bringing Luke back. And again, she isn't suggesting Luke is going to suddenly turn up, but rather that he could return to the fold with some help.

    I really don't see how it does. The whole intention of that scene is to introduce Rey to the Force and for Maz to persuade Rey to take the saber, find Luke and become a Jedi. The best way to get Rey to find Luke is to tell her that Luke is her father. Or at the very least it isn't to imply that her family are dead.
    If Luke turned out to be Rey's dad, then Maz, the ally, will appear a liar to Rey.

    How'd you conclude that? Firstly I think most kids wouldn't think that far ahead and secondly Rey has called Luke a myth and Maz has said Rey's family aren't coming back. Most reasonable people who aren't obsessed with Luke being the father would probably conclude that, at the very least, Maz doesn't think Luke is her father.

    And that is the point I am making. Maz clearly doesn't think Luke is her dad. Han and Leia don't think he is after that scene. Maz thinks the people she is waiting for, her family, aren't coming back. She differentiates Luke from those people. But she still thinks the saber called to Rey which tells us that the saber can call to a non-Skywalker. Rey can be a no one and still be the hero.
     
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    I do think we won't get any spoilers who Rey is from VIII, or mainly only hints pointing into the direction that Rey is unrelated. The answer to this is simple, Luke doesn't tell her the truth, he talks about Rey's parents as 2 strangers or 2 former students or 2 people he met at some point in his life. There will be a reason why he doesn't tell Rey the full truth. But she will probably find out the truth in the moment Luke dies. :(
     
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    I've heard a few examples of kids who immediately said that Luke is Rey's father after watching that scene.
    And that Rey called Luke a myth is just poetry, see it like this, the one she thought was a myth is actually her own father....

    Btw. I don't say that Maz thinks that Luke is her father

    That is possible, but it doesn't have to be and I doubt it is.
    And it's true that Maz think that the ones she's waiting for aren't coming back, but Maz doesn't know if these people are really her family....there's a chance she suspects there's something else going on.
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    We don't know anything about this yet, it can go into either direction.
     
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    There are several occasions in which the camera leaves a scene which seems to have important information (an element JJ prefers to use and to hide later in the story revealed big spoilers "I just watch Lost series"). Like when Maz asks Han 'who is this girl' or when Han& Leia talk at resistance base and we just enter with Finn, so we missed again Han&Leia first talking about Rey, so expect surprises. This can go in either way, Luke's lost daughter or Han&Leia's long lost daughter which is more difficult to explain. But I see zero chance that Rey stays a random until the end of IX. :cool:
     
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    so your saying that someone wise in the ways of the force would tell Rey the whole truth?

    Kenobi made up an entire story to Luke about his father... Yoda kept the truth from him. it wasn't until 'I am your father.. Nooooo that's impossible!" that he found out and Kenobi/Yoda fessed up.

    Obi-Wan: "So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view."
    Luke: "A certain point of view?"
    Obi-Wan: "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

    absolutely. i don't think she is... but i absolutely agree with you that she could be.



    i'm beginning to notice some tension on this thread. it's not necessary.

    we don't know who Rey's parents are.. plain and simple. we all have an opinion... let's respect those opinions. the Cantina is better than that, and why i hang out here.
    that's not directed at you @master_shaitan, but it is your thread (my favorite on here!)
     
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    Exactly, and all options are still on the table :)
     
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    what do you think, will they reveal it in VIII? Or keep it a secret until IX?
     
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    After reading the rumor about a new force vision for Rey in VIII I think that part of the veil is lifted but that we won't get the true answer in VIII....
     
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    waiting 2 more years. :(
     
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    I think we as an audience will know more then Rey herself.
    It's also possible that (if Luke is her father) Luke doesn't tell Rey because he wants to protect her somehow.
     
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    It would be absurd if they knew she was Luke's daughter. Firstly, Leia shows little concern about Rey after Han tells Leia about her. And to suggest that Han and Leia talk about Luke's daughter off screen would be the worst kind of storytelling. Not saying it didn't happen, just that if it did it would be terrible.

    But Kenobi said that (after Vader became the father in the story) to protect Luke who wasn't ready for the truth about his evil father. At this point Kenobi needed Luke to believe his father was once a good Jedi so that Luke would come with him. This isn't the case with Rey. Maz wants Rey to go to Luke with the saber. Telling Rey that essentially her family are dead and not telling her this supposed truth about Luke being daddy goes against that. Even if Maz suspects Luke is the father she has no reason to be so absolute in telling Rey that those she is waiting for are not coming back. Maz is supposed to be a Force aware soothsayer type. She can see the truth in peoples eyes. So she must realise that Rey is waiting for her family on Jakku. Yet she dismisses the idea that they are ever coming back and differentiates Luke from her family.


    Sure and as much as I might seem to be stating absolutes, of course the story can turn out to be anything. But I am arguing from the pov of what I saw in TFA and think that if Rey ends up being a Skywalker or Solo there are some seriously difficult questions that needs answering. Many parts of TFA would look poorly constructed. I also think the way that Maz scene plays out, considering Maz's abilities, it would be very odd if she did think Luke was Rey's dad. The story might end up presenting that idea, but still, I don't think it works with what we see in TFA.

    I agree. People seem to get a bit het up about this. I'm not saying it isn't important. I want these SW films to be great and I think Rey Skywalker contradicts the story somewhat. But let's keep some respect, you bunch of Moof Milkers! ;)
     
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    If we get more of these flashbacks, I wonder if there is more than just Kylo killing all students. And is Rey just a bystander in these visions?
     
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    By the way, if Luke is Rey's father how do you think she will react she finds out?
    I mean, Luke potentially abandoned her and then didn't come and help her out when she was in grave danger.
    Strikes me as not being the Luke we know but also a very difficult problem to sort out on screen.
     
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    We'll see what happens, let's keep the journey to the next Episode fun and interesting :)
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    There can be several scenario's that don't put Luke in a bad spotlight, who says he abandoned her? we just don't know what happened (yoda 2) "cloudy the past is"...
     
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    hmmm, this depends on several things. We don't know why Rey ended up on Jakku. We don't know anything from her before she arrived on Jakku. if Luke was the one who abandonded her there, it was maybe for savety, or she showed dark side tendencies at early years. A small hint = 'Looper'. Maybe it was not Luke who brought her there and instead her mother, or caretakers etc. Too many unknown factors. ;)
     
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    Ok, but what about not coming to help her when she was on Star Killer or fighting Ren etc?
    Is Luke stranded? Can he not see what is happening?
    Just curious really as I am sure these are questions that will need answering.
     
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    The same answers he has to give why he did not help Han at Starkiller base. ;)
     
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    Fair point :D
     
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