SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

That quote could just mean that the offspring would seek him out, and risk turning him to the light or killing him in anger. Like the Oedipus story, y'know its a 'mono-myth' esque idea that the child will usurp the parent, the student the master. I think thats why the sith fear it and why Yoda/Obi want to use luke as a weapon-

Of note is that they don't train him when he's young, they are happy to let him farm and drive a speeder till he is forced to change his life and go out into the wider galaxy
(I put this down to the fact Lucas didn't know Vader was lukes dad in ANH, and therefore Obi Wan wasn't actually trying to force luke to 'confront his father' at this point as the whole of the original plot seemed to be edited heavily as it went along. Thats why none of this makes sense)

I think the line about 'My father has it, I have it' and then 'you have that power too' strongly suggests that yes, their whole family inherited it, and guess what so did Kylo Ren, so yeah it appears Skywalker force DNA is still part of the story, but perhaps that is because Anakin was made from the force. so his Genetics/Midi-clorians would all be force receptive, made of living force or whatever. It doesn't prove one way or the other that Yoda or Mace Windu's kids would be force sensitive and it doesn't prove that Rey must be a Skywalker.

The whole thing is hokey and doesn't hold together, thats the problem. I mean if R2D2 had never turned up a lukes was Obi Wan going to let Luke live his whole life in hiding? becuase there wasn't a lot of training going on.

As a kid I thought Luke and Leia both had it the same coz they were twins, as in the mind communication thing and force sensitivity. I guess 'You have that power too' could actually relate to the idea that every living thing 'has' the force, its only the beliving of it makes it so. So Luke could have been speaking more broadly, as in you have the power in you, (same as all living things) you need only believe in yourself kinda thing.

Still no closer to knowing Rey's daddy though.

 

I think it would follow real world genetics. Genetic inheritance isn't a guarantee. If one parent has a certain trait, it increases the chance of a child having it. If both parents have it, the chances are even greater but still not guaranteed. Both parents may not exhibit a trait but still carry a latent gene that a child still has a chance of exhibiting. I always looked at the SW universe being the same way. Anakin was powerful and any offspring would likely be powerful also but not guaranteed. I think Luke and Lea being a new hope was twofold. They had an excellent chance of being equally as powerful to confront Vader. But also, Lea telling Han "he was his (Klyo's) father" shows how he had a different advantage at getting to Kylo that Luke didn't have. The same would a be true for Luke and Lea (powerful or not), they had the advantage of family/love that could have given hope when the time was right.

 

One of the many things the prequels messed up.

I figured Yoda would say "these children must chose their own destinies" or maybe own Lars would only agree to take Luke if Luke would be allowed to pick his own life etc.

Or something.

 

right, but I thought the whole point was that JJ was moving away from that? And that anybody could tap into the Force?

If so, that bodes well for Rey Random.

If not, that bodes well for Rey Sky or Rey Solo or Rey Palps or whatever...

How much of GL mythos are they keeping and what's being changed?

Rey demonstrated a lot of Force strength/abilities, Kylo's injuries in the saber battle notwithstanding, in TFA - so if the GL theory is true it's genetics. If not, then she could be anybody indeed...

I could swear there have been quotes posted on this but I don't remember...they did say that all the Lucas ideas are still cannon?

 

not sure what your point is.

 

so i watched AotC last night and i came to the pretty clear conclusion that Obi-Wan is the hero of the PT, like Luke is the hero of the OT. ultimately both characters lead the charge in doing what's right, fighting for the light side, and not giving in to evil. i believe that Rey will likely take the mantle of hero in the ST: she will be a champion of the light, doing what's right and not giving in to evil.

in the PT, Obi-Wan is legit a random character. he's not related to Anakin, although he does serve as his pseudo father figure post TPM. although the PT is more or less about Anakin's fall from grace, Obi-Wan is definitely the guy you're rooting for (and not just because of his superior acting abilities ). his character goes through many trials but through them all he stays true to the Jedi way and really is a hero, whereas Anakin commits many atrocious acts and falls from grace.

what i'm getting at is, Rey can be the hero of the light without being related to anyone; the story can still be focused on the Skywalker saga. like Obi-Wan, she's just caught in the drama of the Skywalker family, not necessarily born into it.

i'm not trying to prove one theory over the other, i just thought i'd share my feelings on the PT and how the characters played out in that story. yes, the Star Wars saga is about Anakin, but he never plays the part of hero. you could argue that yeah, he was a war hero during the Clone Wars, but that is arguably a different thing than what i'm talking about: i'm referring to the archetypal hero that fights against the antagonist and embodies good and justice, etc.

at any rate, i think it's actually a pretty neat story: Luke having to train up the new hero and become the father figure he never really had, all to defeat his nephew that he himself had trained. obviously that's going to happen regardless of Rey's lineage, but i feel like it definitely takes the pressure off of Rey needing to be a Skywalker; there is more than enough tension and drama here without Rey being Anakin's grand daughter.

anyway, there you have it.

 

I've got some evidence that I don't think I've seen on any thread at the Cantina, at least not presented like this. It's really simple too. During Rey's flashback vision she sees:

Corridor in Bespin while Luke duels Vader,
Luke with Artoo,
Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren,
Young Rey with Unkar Plutt and a ship appearing to exiting the planet,
Kylo Ren in the snow.

Four of these visions include a Skywalker. One does not, at least not that we know of. Which makes it out of place unless it includes a Skywalker. At the very least it should include someone connected to a Skywalker or in possession of Luke's lightsaber. We do hear the during the vision the voices of people that aren't Skywalkers, but they (the people the voices belong to) were close to at least one Skywalker.

I (and many others) have presumed that her family is in the ship that is leaving Jakku. If that's the case we have:
Vision of Skywalkers
Vision of a Skywalker
Vision of a Skywalker
Vision of Rey's presumed family and Unkar Plutt
Vision of a Skywalker

I guess there is more than one way to spin this. But given these visions I'm having a difficult time coming up with an explanation for there not being a Skywalker in that ship that we see young Rey looking up at.

 

My point is that during the finale of the 1st season Kanaan is not a jedi yet.

 

It is also interesting that the first part of Rey's vision involved two Skywalker family members meeting one-on-one for the first time, while part 2 and 3 possibly involved a Skywalker "leaving" his family (assuming Luke was about to go away to search for the first Jedi temple and Kylo was taking his first turn to the dark side). If there was symmetry to the vision, then part 4 would be about a Skywalker being separated from her family, and part 5 would be about two younger Skywalker family members meeting one-on-one for the first time.

 

*chuckles* I too went through some similar thinking a little while ago when trying to figure the relationships between characters and the saber. I was trying to trying to ascertain evidence:

• that Rey's vision and calling to the saber might indicate she was a skywalker,
• that it may be all Skywalkers in the forceback,
• that it might all be characters or Skywalkers who have held that saber who feature in the forceback

I ended up with zero evidence consistent with anything definitive - just a headache and your same conclusion!

TPTB did a good job of ensuring amiguity for this scene.

On an amateur film-geek note, I was looking up some unrelated cinematic terminology last night and apparently the narrative term for the vision is a subjective treatment - "a series of shots presented as a subjective treatment of events we see through the "mind's eye" of the character. We might be seeing a vision, a memory, or a hallucination." Subjective is right!

The narratology website also said there are "two ways of creating suspense in narrative; the first caused by unanswered questions, the second by the anticipation of an action's resolution. (Hermeneutic and Proairetic Codes)" It seems the forceback combined both of these codes for me - unanswered questions and anticipation of a resolution to Kylo's action!

 

Being separated from her family yes, but also possibly being left. From a certain point of view. But you're right, really good points.

There's also a lot of conflict in these visions.

What if every forceback vision features family against family conflict? I don't necessarily mean physical confrontation. Luke vs Vader, that's obvious. For the 2nd and 3rd parts we basically have to assume that Kylo Ren is doing something Luke wouldn't want him to do or in direct opposition to Luke. We only see Luke in the 2nd but his actions may have been affected by Kylo. I suspect the Knights of Ren in the 3rd vision are at least doing something in opposition to Luke. When the ship leaves Rey that's a different kind of conflict. If she's being abandoned by family imagine the conflict they must have felt in doing that. Lastly, Rey sees Kylo in the snow in a similar setting to where they duel later.

I don't think this qualifies as evidence for Luke being Rey's father. I'm thinking this and my previous post are reasons to think she's a Skywalker. Of some sort.
@Force238 points can still apply.

 

So @Lancebacca has got me rethinking forceback and lineage connections. There was a theory floating around the net a while back that a saber forceback might show connections or relatives of the constructor (Anakin's saber vision showing Rey scenes of Vader, his son and his grandson).

There was a saber in Kylo's left hand in that TV spot that was cropped out of frame for the final edit and some people think that young Rey might be a Kenobi because it looks like Kylo see's her and they thought it looks like Obi-Wan's saber...







I had always assumed it was Anakin's and that Kylo had taken it from Rey in an event that's yet to come to pass but i's not entirely clear and it may be an as yet unidentified weapon and the vision from the past.

Whatever the case I do think the theory of it being connected to Rey's lineage has merit. If the saber Kylo's holding is a weapon that belonged to or was constructed by a relative of Rey then perhaps Kylo might also see a young Rey in a vision that overlaps with hers.

 

This week's The Star Wars Show shared a commentary clip from the now famous forceback scene.

Nothing ground breaking here, but JJ does say "she cries as a young girl being taken away from her family."

 

So Plutt stole her, he wasn't the guardian ?

 

Oh ok, I thought he'd been classified as such.

 

That's getting close to one of my pet theory posts... Rey was already on board the falcon when he got it from the Irving boys.