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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  2. No

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  1. sls062286

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    Okay so two different sources day two different things in regards to Rey being left on Jakku. Pablo said "abandoned' was the best word to use about her being left on Jakku (at least as far at what was shown in TFA, now JJ is saying she was stolen. I'm going with what JJ said as he wrote the movie, and it makes more sense than being abandoned. However it still is interesting that there is a contradiction.
     
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    And he wants to throw her out in an escape pod as soon as she gets back. Good dad.
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    Her family could have let her there which it's the same as being taking away from them unless it's deliberate.
     
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    "Taken away" implies kidnapping. If they had left her behind he would have said "left behind".
     
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    I honestly believe she is related somehow to Luke. If not her daughter, maybe an orphan he took in while training other Jedi.
     
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    Hidalgo and Abrams differ at times when they give explanations.
     
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    That's plausible too. I hope she feels like family to the Skywalkers either way and that the father figures she finds along the way don't keep dying.

    Welcome to the Cantina!
     
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    I think it is pretty much guaranteed that Luke knows her, given that she had memories of the island he was on prior to learning of his location or even seeing it. Unless the Force gave her visions itself, but I don't think that makes much sense.


    Thanks for the welcome, by the way!
     
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    She will be her padawan so yes, she is related to Luke.
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    Luke wasn't on the island at those times. If he were, there would be no need for a map to find him. She just sees her destiny.
     
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    I mean beyond being a padawan later in the films. It is very clear she has some sort of connection to Luke, biological or not, that she has had and not "will" have. When Maz talks about how the lightsaber was Anakin's and then Luke's, she hints that a connection like that is why it is calling out to her. Not just because she's Force sensitive or that she will become a padawan.

    And just because the rest of the Republic/universe didn't know where he was doesn't mean Rey hadn't been there before (as a small child obviously) or that as Luke knew/found out (I know he wasn't) she had seen it. And if Luke is her father, he could have very well dropped her off at that time, as well.
     
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    Being "taken away from her family" could mean she was sold or traded to Plutt.
     
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    Not my opinion. People can't help making ties with the OT and look at this movie like it really is.
     
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    "taken away" could mean that she didn't see them again, that they separated. Pablo tweet once: ""Abandoned" seems to fit best if that vision is any indicator."
     
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    I have a question : How would you introduce someone completely new to the big story and to a missing Luke Skywalker. What means would you use ?

    Better than that : Two of them.
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    Taken away and abandoned are very close. If the parents were the one who took her away.
     
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    J. J. Abrams: "In this scene [in Maz's Castle basement], [Rey] is drawn to this place - almost like Cinderella - and she goes to this box which when she opens she discovers something that of course has no meaning to her; she's never seen this before or doesn't know what it is... but, has meaning to the audience. Touching the Lightsaber triggers what we called the 'forceback'. There were many iterations of this. In one, from this Cloud City corridor she looked down and saw [Darth] Vader fighting Luke, which we ended up cutting. We wanted it to be a more personal story - something that she couldn't comprehend that was overwhelming to her, frightening to her, that was taking her through all these elemental experiences of fire, of rain, snow, [and] wind, but also that she was being confronted with truths about the Force, about the past - the Knights of Ren [in these shots] here - the past for herself. She realizes the cries she heard were actually her own cries as a young girl being taken away from her family. And then she hears a voice: 'Rey'. And that's Obi-Wan Kenobi." (October 19, 2016 - video)
     
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    Makes it sound like her family were forced to leave her with Plutt - like they were in debt to him or were in trouble.

    It's important to remember the pieces we know:

    A male voice tells Rey that he "will come back for her".
    In The Art of The Force Awakens, there is a drawing of Rey's "family ship" on Jakku.
    Rey is waiting for her family to return to Jakku.
    Rey was 5 years old when she was left alone on Jakku (that's 8 years before Kylo Ren goes bad and Luke's order falls).
    Pablo says "Rey was abandoned". JJ says "Rey was taken away from her family".

    Now, all/some of these significant things relating to Jakku must play into this:

    The map to Luke Skywalker/Ahch-To.
    The Millennium Falcon.
    Lor San Tekka settling there with the Church of the Force.
    Sarco Plank is on Jakku (he once fought Luke and knew the location of a Jedi Temple that he raided).
    The Imperial Research facility.
    The significant Sith site.
    Jakku was once a lush fertile planet that has been turned to sand at some point.
    Rey left there.
     
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    I'm not sure it has been conclusively established that the voice is male or female in the canon material.
    That "family ship" is the ship a grown up Rey sees on Jakku of a family (a woman and a boy) which is a scene in the novelization. It is not the ship of her family.
     
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    Pablo said it was a male voice in the shooting script.

    It's the same ship from the vision though, so...
     
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    I'm not arguing if it is the same ship design. I'm just pointing out that the designation "family ship" was meant for the scene in the novelization. If my memory is not mistaken there was a Pablo tweet about it to say that the design was for the family ship (a woman and a boy) from the novelization that grown up Rey sees on Jakku the design of which they reused instead for the Forceback vision in the film. Or something of the sort...
    What I mean is that calling it a "family ship" for the Forceback might be jumping to conclusion in this case. As it might not be the ship of her family that is leaving...That's all. I just wanted to point out that that is still ambiguous...
     
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    Why do you quote my post with that ?
     
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    Whether that be the original intention or not, the ship is "a family ship" and is used by "Rey's family" to leave Jakku. I'm just pointing out that it's pretty clear that Rey is left by her actual family, not someone else.
     
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