SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

I don't know if Luke is Rey's father or not. But I do know that I would like to see Rey put on Leia's metal slave bikini from Jedi.

 

Is that a really necessary point to drive home though? Especially for three movies? I mean there was a whole Jedi Order and who knows how many Jedi. I think the fact that the force is there for everyone is already a given. Personally given that the PT focused on how Anakin became Darth Vader and the OT focusing on his son redeeming him I think this trilogy is going to be about his legacy. Especially considering Kylo's obsession with emulating him and how Bloodlines focused on how Leia as well as the entire galaxy felt about him.

 

I'm well aware of the Bloodline novel. Leia's long lost daughter was never mentioned for the exact same reason that Rey and Kylo are both rated as being more powerful than Luke on the new trading cards: Because the real-world needs of Disney/LFL to tell the story the way they want is more important than maintaining perfect in-universe logic.

Logically, it makes no sense whatsoever that Rey and Kylo are both more powerful than Luke Skywalker. But according to the new trading cards, they are. Because Disney wants to promote their new young characters at the expense of Luke. Likewise, we know that TPTB are going to extraordinary lengths to preserve the secret of Rey's background. So any novel or comic that comes out before the secret is revealed must dance around the subject of Rey's birth and childhood.

If we closely examine all the canon materials concerning the PT and the OT, including the movies, we can find scores of inconsistencies. Perfect in-universe logic does not exist, because the real-world needs keep interfering.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 11, 2016, Original Post Date: Oct 11, 2016 ---

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1. Han and Leia are not real… No kidding. But as fictional characters, they are based on human beings—that's how we are able to relate to them. So they have to follow certain behaviors that we recognize, and relate to, as humans. Including the very real fact that most of us don't go around discussing long-dead relatives every day. The characters had no idea this would be the last time they ever saw each other. Under the circumstances, there was absolutely no reason for them to discuss a tragedy that happened 14 years ago. Besides which, the audience did not see every single moment that Han and Leia spent together from the moment they reunited until their final parting. Plenty of opportunity for them to discuss other topics offscreen.

And if a primary goal of the filmmakers is to keep Rey's identity a secret, then no, it's not a narrative mistake for them to avoid showing us that scene in TFA. It's a question of priorities.

2. Regarding your second point, the ability of the Skywalkers to sense each other through the Force has always ebbed and flowed according to the needs of the plot. Why is it that Anakin never realized his very pregnant wife was carrying two babies? He was living with her, those were his children living in her belly, and not once did he have an inkling that he had two children. And how could Anakin, the most powerful force user EVAH, not realize it when his children were born alive? How could he be torturing his own daughter, and have no clue? And how could Luke, also extremely powerful in the Force, never have a clue that the woman he is crushing on, the woman he was kissing on the lips, was his twin sister? It took deliberate prodding from Kenobi for the light bulb to finally turn on.

This notion that members of the Skywalker family will always be able to sense each other , no matter what the circumstances, is bogus. They sense each other when it's convenient for the plot.

 

Dave FIloni's comments helped clear my head around the "M" word...

From: You Seek Knowledge - The Structure of The Force and How It's Layers Work

I could be wrong (most likely due to tackling a Master on matters of the Force), but I assumed the way the Jedi seemed to identify Force sensitives early was through observation and testing as opposed to bloodlines. I never got the impression it was as easy as simple geneology - traits could skip generations and appear out of nowhere...

 

Warregory ‏@Warregory
@pablohidalgo Are you saying anyone can become Jedi, or at least skilled in the Force, no matter midichlor. count, if they put work into it?

Pablo Hidalgo ‏@pablohidalgo
@Warregory I'm gonna rip off @BradBirdA113 and say 'not everyone can become a Jedi, but a Jedi can come from anywhere'

 

From what I see in Rebels with Ezra Bridger coming darker every episode to protect his friends, I'm not sure the story group is gonna give up on the attachment things.

 

Caleb Dume is attached to his friends as well. Remember when he thought the grand inquisitor had killed ezra? Instead of letting his rage take over, he focused on the fact that now there was nothing left for him to fear. Ezra is flirting with the darkside because he is and always has been...well.....a dick. He never listens and he rarely learns. He was so easily duped by darth maul and it ended up getting Dume blinded and ahsoka nearly killed. This was all because he doesn't listen to his master and always acts like he has all the answers.

 

Oh I excel at that. I think you will find I am mistaken about a great...many...things.

I do remember hearing a reputable LF source saying that being powerful in the Force was no guarantee of having offspring the same. I know that's only weakly qualified heresay from a internet forum dweller and my beloved OT seems to strongly imply the opposite. I only remember this because I recall stuggling to reconcile my head canon to the "revelation"!

 

I don't believe this, but it could be seriously argued that Yoda and OB were advocating for Vaders kids - not because they thought there was huge natural Force potential - but because they foresaw the possibility of family having another edge, perhaps triggering something in Vader.

It's plausible, although all the evidence points to OB and Yoda sending Luke to his death in trying to destroy Vader. ROTJ Luke had little hope of defeating Vader through utilising lightside Force ability and surely his Masters saw that moving a few rocks around, swinging rope and doing flips wasn't going to cut it. He couldn't have stood a chance against any skilled and trained Jedi and he only gained a duelling advantage when using the Dark side. He ultimately destroyed his enemy by "inspiring evil to pursue good" (kb93) and quite possibly utilising no powerful inherent Force ability to do so.

 

That was before he was a jedi isn't it ?

 

There was a little bit more to his opinion.

All living things generate the Force. Where (11 year old) Abrams is wrong is that Episode IV in 1977 was about a bloodline and inheritance right from the beginning: Luke wasn't a nobody. He was specifically awaited by Obi-Wan because of who he was (NOT just the son of a spice freighter navigator). Else Obi-Wan could've found and trained somebody else for the job.

 

no, that was during the season finale of the first season

 

He became a jedi during the 2nd season, so yes.

Spoiler

 

If force sensitivity was an inherited trait, why didn't the Jedi and Sith just breed a race of superforce babies? Maybe Anakin was the first Jedi who could pass on the force sensitivity (http://www.cracked.com/blog/star-wars-quest-lukes-balls-a-fan-theory/). Have there been other Jedi/Sith known to have force using offspring. I'm not sure if this has any bearing on Rey's parentage though.