SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

1) You want my version of the script?
2) Did you read my post? I suggested they did, which is why Leia hugs her the way she does (while ignoring chewie) AND why she sends her after Luke instead of going herself.
3) Because he was killed.

I'm not saying that IS the story, I'm only 50/50 that she is Lukes daughter. But it is certainly a possible way for the story to go.

And its POSSIBLE Han says "I think she is Lukes daughter" which is why its left in. I know you don't like the idea, but that doesn't change the fact it is a somewhat commonly used story telling technique. Maybe thats one of the scenes Daisy thought made it obvious.

Yes, the Skywalkers are the center of the story. Having Rey be the center of the story and waiting for her to show up and save the day as Rey Jones is no different then rey Skywalker doing it.

I dunno - you seem very.......opposed to seeing stories about the main characters (Skywalker family). Given Kennedy's comments, thats what the Saga films rae going to be about, and if you think that idea is unoriginal and bad storytelling or whatever........

 

Welcome to the thread! After seeing the film, I definitely thought Rey was a Skywalker. It wasn't until around the time Bloodline came out that I started to doubt it. That made the timeline a little more complicated. The more I've learned about the story-group and the ideas of George Lucas it made the idea more difficult. Add to that people who know more about the films that we do have hinted that they're going in a different direction as well. Of course, these are just hints that might not add up to anything. It could turn out there's no twist and Luke has a lost child. We'll see soon enough.

As I mentioned above, why would anyone think that a family is coming back after fifteen years? Rey is holding on to a dream. Maz is just reading the tea leaves based on the information in front of her. Going back to Jakku is a waste of time.

 

Does Han take her back? And from the script with Maz:

REY
What was that? I shouldn't have
gone in there.

MAZ
That lightsaber was Luke's. And his
father's before him and now, it calls
to you!
Rey stands, fast. Still overwhelmed, emotional, speechless.

REY
I have to get back to Jakku.

MAZ
Han told me.
(reaches out, hold

REY'S HAND)
Dear child. I see your eyes. You
already know the truth. Whomever
you're waiting for on Jakku, they're
never coming back. But... there's
someone who still could.

REY
Luke.

The comments about the lightsaber do hint at a connection, and she seems to be tying Luke and Rey together in the same way Rey was tied to her family.

 

First of all, welcome to the Cantina and being an active part in it!

But Maz is talking about someone coming back for her... not to the galaxy, finding someone's role... coming back for her.

There is no question that Maz is helping Rey confront the truth that life on Jakku is a dead-end for her and she has a larger role to play in the galaxy... but she is also addressing Rey's primary concern of who her family is.

I agree.

But here is the thing that I keep saying over and over. Everyone is trying to infer meaning in a context that is deliberately vague and ambiguous enough that any outcome is possible. Which is exactly what TPTB want: For us all to debate this thing to death and create buzz, without them having to spend a single dime to promote the future films at all. We can all look at the exact same dialogue, the exact same scene, and contort it to fit our own preference for what the story will be. And that is exactly what Star Wars has always been and what the directors and producers want us to do. And... its fun. But just remember, when viewed through this prism, no one's "theory" is more likely, or better, than anyone else's... we are all just shooting arrows in the dark here.

Yes, anything is possible... but no evidence is "easily contradicted." No doubt there are questions that need to be answered, but that is how they hook us in!

The simple answer is that she doesn't tell her that because then it answers the question of who Rey is before they are ready to reveal that story to us... You can question whether or not that makes sense within the single film that TFA is, but there is an entire trilogy of stories to tell here. Should they just tell us the entire story in one episode and call the ST done? That would be silly. We have to always view this through the big picture.

Nothing is off the table about who Rey is.

 

Could be after the monster attack on the ship. Could be after hearing her story about being left on Jakku.

Really? How does Leia show no concern? By sending her best friends to the base?

Clearly, if he knows or suspects, he isn't ready to dump it all on her. And does he say "ok, np. Get on board and I'll take you back"? Hes more quiet and reflective at that point. Or does he take her in to see Maz for a reason? And yes it can absolutely be take in such a way that Han doesn't know or have any idea, but it can also be viewed as he does know or suspect. And just because a movie does something you didn't want it too or didn't anticapte doesn't = bad writing. Its a very arrogant way to view things and go into a converstion - if its not my way its bad writing. There are good ways and bad ways they can tell a story about Rey Jones or Rey Skywalker, about Han suspecting and having no idea. About Ben's redemption and him staying evil etc...

Well Anakin had off the chart midichlorians, we don't know if Luke did (as far as I know anyway). And future films won't be Skywalker free, the Saga films are ABOUT them. You also don't have a problem with a very powerful Rey, you propsoed a theory in which the force created her to be a powerful force user. The only difference is the last name.

a) A last name doesn't = a story.
b) And why can't an original story have a Skywalker in it? You've already said you think Rey = a very powerful force user (she out did a Skywalker). So whats the difference?
c) Why not? It would continue his story of doing better then his father (ie - family didn't turn him evil).

Maz isn't 100% sure, didn't think Rey needed another bomb dropped on her (she seems a bit overwhelmed don't you think?), thought it wasn't her place, didn't have time with the First Order attack and all. You seem to think if characters don't puke out all the information they have the second they are on screen its impossible for them to have any information or other thoughts.

If Han tells Maz - she might be Lukes daughter - seeing hte lightsaber call her would/could be a big deal which is why Maz mentions it the way she does.

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Which is why they used that editing technique. They wanted to create the possiblity in the minds of the audience that Han had an answer to Maz's questions "who is the girl". If he answered on screen or Maz doesn't ask there is no mystery. Having the question and then cutting creating mystery and possibilities. And you're right - which is why I've said I'm 50/50 on Rey being a Skywalker, that there good stories to be told whatever way they go etc... I dont think I've made a single post saying "Rey MUST be a Skywalker" or anything like that. I've gone out of my way to say "we don't know, all we can do is make educated/informed guesses with the information we have".

 

Rian:“both [Luke and Rey] not knowing what’s going to happen and also having a lot of expectations in her head about how this is going to go.”

We have Rey, who just found out she is a FS recently, and we have Luke, the last Jedi, who will try to save the galaxy (and we don't know what will happen to Leia in VIII and Luke's feelings about it).
These two are essential to this war but: We'll probably see Rey's internal conflict ("I want to be a Jedi?" There's a lot of responsibility in her) and Luke (he has to kill Kylo? What about Snoke? And he will see Leia? And if Rey is seduced by the dark side? Rey is the only ally he have in this moment)

Rey doesn't need to be Luke's daughter, they will have a strong connection no matter what (and MSW said Rey will be frustrated with Luke’s teachings, something expected from someone who was just a scavenger days ago and now is getting a training from something she did not even know she had)

 

Thanks for the welcome, guys!

It's all deliberately ambiguous, of course. It allows different people to read different things in to it - which is part of the fun!

From everything I've read about the editing, reshoots and so on I think there is enough evidence to suggest that there was something more explicit originally there - and the film does go to some lengths to connect Rey and Luke in a variety of ways - visually, thematically, plot and background.

Saying all that, I wouldn't be surprised if she was or wasn't a Skywalker at this point. I do believe that was originally a part of the plan - but I think what TFA ended up as has left enough wriggle room for the lineage to go into a few different directions - as someone mentioned above, Bloodline (and to an extent Life Debt) certainly muddied the waters somewhat.

 

Did I say anywhere that I would quit if they go telenovela ?

The story is more important than a name.

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Considering what happened to his nephew, I'm asking myself is it is a wise choice to train your own kid with the risk to see her joining the dark side !! Wise question there ...

Anakin and Ahsoka had one of the more powerful and interesting relationship and they weren't related at all.

 

To be fair, since this seems to be the linchpin of your argument, I'd point out that Han didn't expect to die on SKB, nor did he really have much time to say goodbye. He was just routinely planting charges, he didn't expect to see Ben- and once he did, Rey wasn't really on his mind (justifiably).

If Han did know, he probably wanted to sit down with Rey and discuss it with her, not make some backhanded remark about it before doing a merry jig offscreen. The characters don't have a ton of downtime in the film, and this wouldn't be even close to being the first time a character in film died before getting to relay important information to another, even if they did have the chance.

Ben Kenobi can attest to that.

 

You do seem pretty worked up over it comparing it to bad spanish tv and all.

Wouldn't that argument hold for Luke training anyone? A failure is a failure. And we've actually never seen a Father/child Teacher/Student dynamic before. It would be something new. Having Rey be just some girl who can use the Force would give us the same teacher/student dynamic as Qui-Gon/Obi-wan, Obi-wan/Anakin, Obi-wan/Luke and Yoda/Luke.

 

Obviously we hadn't because the jedi code forbid attachment. Sorry to spoil things.

There had been thousands of JEDI in the history and only one decided to break the code and it didn't finish very well.

Sorry to spoil the story that has been made in case you just cared about KK's quotes and didn't see the movies.

 

The reason doesn't matter, its something new and original.

More then just 1 Jedi broke the code. Obi-wan tells Qui-Gon if he would only follow the code.... (meaning he doesn't). I'm willing bet Dooku broke some rule in there. There is the Lost 20. And if you mean the married/attachment rule specifically, only 1 Jedi we KNOW OF broke the code. We saw both Obi-wan and Ahsoka get temped during the Clone Wars.....

 

Qui Gon had a family ? Is it canon ?

I'll play your game. Please explain us why daddy Luke left his daughter on Jakku on her own for 15 years while searching artifacts with lil' Benny and rather teaching younglings than taking care of his family.

Surprise me. Bring me your ideas.

Edit : Ahsoka left the order remember ? You can be a force user and not be a jedi. Obi Wan said : If I knew I would have left the order. Right ?

 

Sorry, only one in all of history broke the code?

I'mma have to get a source on that one.

You've got countless Jedi betraying the order in the EU. Even in the canon you have Dooku, who left the order. Ben follows in those footsteps, as well. Ahsoka could arguably have broken the code, too, in that she turned her back on the Jedi (justifiably so). Windu even serves as a perfect example of how even Council members could be corrupt and not adhere to their own code.

Sorry to call you out, but that just doesn't fly.

If family is your only issue, then it'd be tougher to prove (though again, I'd doubt Anakin was the first. Again, the code is far more than that one facet, though.

 

What are you talking about? No one mentioned Qui-Gon having a family, you need to actually READ posts before you respond.

No idea - ask a writer. Her own safety and her mother taking her and Luke didn't know where she was would be the two big obvious ones.

You do remember Ahsoka falling for whats his face on Onderon right?

 

Dooku finished as a sith right ? Ahsoka left the order ... right ?

The EU isn't canon ... right ?

So we're back at step 1.

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What part of the code Qui Gon broke ?

I'm talking about attachments there and the 3 movies that were made about it.

I don't understand your last sentence, what does that mean ? falling for whats is face ???