SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Who cares if they became sith or left the order... they broke the code. We are most definitely not at step one. Nice try.

I just think we're making a lot of assumptions. At no point were we ever even close to going back to the surface of Jakku again. Maybe Han would've revealed this if her departure had been more imminent, but again, they really never had any down time. That's not proof of anything.

 

Surprised to see just how many people seem to be dealing in absolutes when arguing their take of this; we all love Star Wars, I'm sure, and we all (rightly) have differing opinions and theories.

Personally, I think some of the more "obvious" nods to Rey being a Skywalker (as in, not obvious at all) are thematic and orchestral as opposed to on-screen. Instead of the usual "show not tell" I personally subscribe to the idea (besides rhyming and such) because of the way that it feels like "feel/hear not tell", which many, many people would of course want as part of their movies, and one of many reasons as to why John Williams is such a highly regarded composer.

Personally, my biggest problems with Rey being a Skywalker (and I subscribe to that notion) is more the stuff we haven't seen or heard yet: who did Luke have a kid with? Why would he dump her on a desert planet in a fashion similar to him being on Tatooine? And so on, and so forth. Though, I mean, many arguments could be made for and against him leaving her.

 

Well, it cares because when you break the code, you finish to not be a jedi anymore ... Obviously, the examples you gave talk for themselves. None of the people you quoted finish as jedi ...

 

Agreed. I don't think that she is a Skywalker, but to completely disregard the possibility? Sounds like something only a sith would do.

Still waiting on that source where you can prove Anakin was the only one...

 

But if Dooku and Ahsoka broke rules WHILE being Jedi (and I believe Cawatroopers point is leaving itself is breaking a rule) then they broke the code.

You are aware there is new EU right?

No idea, Obi-wan doesn't tell us what Qui-Gon did to break the code just saying if he would follow it he'd be on the council. And Qui-Gon doesn't "not follow the code, what are you talking about, I always follow the code". He continues on as if what Obi-wan said its 100% correct and not worth getting hung up on.

You mentioned the code being broken, however I thought you might only meant that part of the code which why I made another sepereate point about Obi-wan and Ahsoka developing feelings for someone else, and that if its that common its not unthinkable that other Jedi did what Anakin did. And as Cawatrooper asked - can you provide evidence that Anakin is the only Jedi to ever break the code when it comes to attachments?

Ahsoka feel for one of the rebels on Onderon during the Clone Wars, but he was all into Saw's sister.

 

I'd assume the Code came to forbid attachment after some Jedi had formed an attachment (possibly those who went on to join/form the Sith). Warnings are put in place because of past events; if you didn't know what a fire was, would you be able to account for it and protect people with the right guidelines against it?

 

In the movies I saw, Anakin was the only one to marry in secret ... I have no other sources than the movies and the cartoons.

I'm open to listen ...

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Ahsoka had a lot in common in Anakin, we know that and she finished being a lone force user, she left the order.

I don't really care about Luke having a family but I care of Luke doing it and still calling himself a jedi ... That's the point.

The jedi code isn't very long, it's a five line mantra.

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.[4]

Qui Gon didn't break the code, he broke the hierarchy ... That's not really the same thing. He took decisions without the approval of the council, it's not really breaking the code. From what I have seen in the movies, I don't remember Qui Gon breaking the five line mantra but maybe I missed it.

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It is very well explained in the PT ... Attachment lead to the fear to lose what you are attached to ...

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

We talked about that during 50 pages here ...

 

I mean, that's cool and all, but that's like me watching A New Hope and claiming that Aunt Beru and Leia are the only women in the galaxy. You just cannot make the claim you're trying to.

If there was a canon source that specifically called out Anakin for being the only Jedi to do this, sure. But as is, it's nothing more than a completely baseless claim.

 

Luke searched a lot about jedi lore, in according to Leia in Bloodline (5/6 years before TFA). He probably know about the risks to have a family especially when he is the last jedi.
And how I said before, Vader used Luke's feeling for Leia as a way to make Luke feel tempted to the dark side (now imagine someone using his feeling for his wife and kid?). Luke saved Vader? yes, but Vader redemption was also Anakin's decision.

 

Well Ok so all theses discussions are useless and this board is useless because we only know what is on screen.

Maybe Palps was a good guy and gave candy to kids and protected animals ... I mean who knows ? Maybe he was donating to charity off screen and be very careful with the poors. Maybe he planted trees on Endor after destroying Alderaan ...

Maybe Vader made a gigantic work fiesta with his colleagues after killing Captain Needa in ESB ...

 

So you can't make the statement that only 1 Jedi broke the code since the movies show us a very limited time frame and a fairly small number of Jedi.

Ahsoka leaving the order has nothing to do with her developing feelings for someone while she was a padawan, which does show that it happened to Jedi. Anakin wasn't the only one.

We're told Qui-Gon doens't follow the code (obviously before the movie take place), not that he doesn't follow the hierarchy. You're doing a lot of mental gymnastics with this one.

No one is arguing that the Jedi didn't have a rule against attachment. Just your statement that Anakin was the ONLY Jedi who ever broke it. We don't know that.

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So we can make assumptions about things we don't see on screen. Then why are you saying Qui-Gon never broke the code because he didn't on screen when we have dialog saying he did?

 

I don't know which part of the code, he broke ... Maybe he went berserk from times to times, maybe he was a deathstick addict ... At least, he should have trained more in lightsaber use because he was bad at that.

Maybe we will know more later.

I'm gonna ask Pablo, maybe he'll answer us.



It could be interesting.

 

Are you asking why Maz didn't tell Rey something after Rey ran away?

 

Because whoever dropped her off (and it might not be Luke if he is her father) isn't going back to pick her up. Rey is still in the mind-set of "I need to sit and wait" and Maz is confronting her a very uncomfortable truth and that rey has to admit to herself.

As I said above, maybe Maz didn't want to drop another bomb on her, Rey was clearly in some distress. Maybe Han isn't 100% sure so Maz doesn't want to say anything. Maybe she was working up to it but Rey took off.

Not coming back doesn't = dead. If they left her there to protect her but they are still in danger. Also, if Luke isn't her father, how does Maz know her family isn't coming back? If Han doesn't suspect who Rey's parents are how can Maz speak to Rey about her family in any intelligent way. If Rey is just some girl and Maz doesn't know anything about her, its kind of mean to tell Rey that when for all Maz knows they are on their way back to Jakku at that moment.

Depends on how its told. Lucas did something similar in the OT, but he handled the truth part so well that people bought it and it worked. On the same hand, Rey being not connected to anyone could be terrible if handled poorly.

 

Apparently in the book Heir to the Jedi Luke learned that forming attachments as a Jedi was forbidden. So in Return of the Jedi when Luke says "I am a Jedi" he's aware and accepts basic Jedi teaching.

 

Does he accept the age when training should begin and one student per Jedi?

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That can't be all there is to the code. There is nothing there about not forming attachments or Jedi only taking on one apprentice at a time. There have to be more rules written down somewhere that they follow.

 

Saying they're never coming back is not the same as saying they're dead - it doesn't even suggest it. Besides...

Taking it a step further, since Rey never told Han (or anyone other than BB-8) that she's waiting for her parents, there's no reason to think Maz knows who she's waiting for. It's all just Maz's inferences.

The second teaser, that included the Luke quote about the Force running strong in his family, would also seem to back up your theory.

I have to disagree - there's no reason to think no one ever broke the code before. There are several references in the PT and Clone Wars that tell us the Jedi are aware they could be expelled from the Jedi Order for violating the code, and there's never any indication that it never happened before. Besides, it's just not realistic. All those Jedi, and not one of them ever did anything wrong? Even the outcasts like Dooku made sure they left the order before violating the code? That's not remotely believable.

 

I'm only talking about cartoons and movies ... It's just as far as I know ...

In the movies and in the Clone Wars, only Anakin did that ( on screen ).