SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

No, I'm done/ There is only so much you can do with some who denies written evidence........

 

You can run but you can't hide.

Yes or no. Did Younglings study with Yoda?
Yes or no. Would those Younglings be called students?
Yes or no. Would Yoda's students be considered Yoda's apprentices?

 

That was predictable

Good one.

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People are often confusing love and passion too.

 

Alone, No
Yes
Yes, just like a Padawan is a student. The two words are synonyms - http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/apprentice?s=t

Also lets think logically. It would appear that one was a padawan for 10-15 years. Even if Luke was only taking 2-3 year old's as "students" (though we know from Ben he wasn't) that means he could only handle 1 "apprentice" and 1 "student" given the training time frame. If he has multiple students all reaching the age of 8-12 when they need to move onto the "apprentice" stage, but Luke can only have 1 apprentice, and it takes years for an apprentice to become a knight, what is he going to do with all these students who don't have teachers?

 

Long story short... the link didn't prove your point that Luke had multiple apprentices at the same time. We don't know how Luke trained the new Jedi that Kylo killed. Good debate though! I get your overall point that one exception (albeit easy to explain) means the Jedi code can be bent to whatever ends you wish to establish the Skywalker force dynasty.

 

In all fairness, my point was that these discussions are cyclical... meaning we frequently re-visit the same arguments coming from both sides. (I don't want anyone to think that I am trying to suggest only one side is guilty... or has any real "evidence." )

 

I think we're done here - Luke could have a family since Love and attachment are different, and he learned how to seperate them. Good talk.

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Yes it did, Kylo killed the jedi STUDENTS, which is another word for apprentice.

And you just defeated your own argument. If Luke doesn't follow the PT era way of training Jedi HE IS BREAKING THE CODE. We therefore have precedent for him ignoring the code, and the argument "jedi aren't allow families" does not ally him automatically. Its reasonable that he would break that rule as well as the rules about trianing new Jedi.

 

That's what I said a few pages before. I think we already said all we could in this thread until we have some new informations.

 

There hasn't been much new in this debate since Bloodline came out to be honest. We're just spinning our wheels.

Nah, I really didn't, but I admire your passion. It's nice to have someone around to stir the pot. It was getting boring around here the past few months.

 

Well, this is confusing because with this statement, Luke will not have a daughter / father relationship because he won't be attached to Rey and he will act as if it was anybody else ...

But it could be a good answer. Daddy why did you left me on Jakku ? Because I didn't want to be attached to you, I had other business on my agenda and I didn't want to fall to the dark side by being attached to a kid.

Now go and leave me alone you temptress !

 

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Depends, we have about 30 years of blank area that we don't know about, plus almost all of Rey's history. The problem is that you're projecting your expectations onto reality.

But I'm with Ronin for once, I'm out. I don't mind having discussions, but when the "evidence" is nothing more than speculation, it gets old fast and we end up talking in circles. Considering both sides have no nonspeculative evidence, there's no point to continue.

 

Well, sorry everyone... I wasn't trying to kill it with Darth Vader-on-a-merry-go-round.

 

If it makes you feel any better...

...I'm out too

 

I get people wanting Luke to have a family but, it doesn't make sense in character for Luke to settle down and be a 'normal' person in my view. Luke is first and foremost a hero, and a defender of justice in the galaxy, who in my opinion doesn't have the luxury to be a parent. It's fun to speculate but it's also important that we say what's best for the story and not get too worked up about it too much. It hard to deny we SW fans get worked up about things, that are not totally important, it's understandable why though cuz we're passionate and that's great, but there's a downside to that as well.

 

The same could be said about Leia.

You can tell a godo story with Luke having family, and a good story with him not. Both are justifiable and can lead to good stories being told. I probably learn more toward not wanting to see Luke with a family, but the claim he couldn't or it would be bad storytelling etc... if he did is just silly.

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Your welcome

And yes, you kinda did. Your point is Luke can't have a family because of the old Jedi code which he is goign to follow. But if the code doesn't apply to Lluke when it comes to training new Jedi, then it could not apply in other areas as well. Until/unless you have actual evidence that Luke follow the no family part of the code of the PT Jedi and not the other areas, there is no logical reason to assume he would follow 1 part of it but not another.

 

I think there is a misunderstanding between the jedi code itself and the rules of running the jedi order.

 

Well Mace said the code forbids multiple apprentices, so the code does include day to day rules for the Jedi.

According to Dark Disciple what you posted early is the mantra of the Jedi Code, not the entire code itself.