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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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    You keep going back to this, but it's not clear if that's part of the code or simply something the Jedi did to make easier to train people. Obviously older people are more likely to form emotional attachments.
     
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    This looks all the more hilarious now (buyer beware of interviews):

    Daisy Ridley: “Yes [I know who Rey’s parents are]. Yeah [I do.]” “[I found out] when we were filming VII.” “[Did that help inform the character a little bit?] I think the amazing thing about [Episode] VII is that Finn and Rey don’t come from anywhere and they find a place.” “And so to me, it’s funny that people think [Rey’s lineage] is so important, because I guess it is. But I don’t really think it is because regardless of where you come from, where you go is the thing…you’re moving forward, and you can make a family; you can find people who you love. And so I think the progression that Rey is making and the people she’s meeting and the relationships she’s making now are kind of more important than where she comes from, but that’s just me.” (April 10, 2016) (video)

    ...

    Trevorrow: "“We’re going to make sure that that answer [of Rey’s lineage] is deeply and profoundly satisfying.” “Rey is a character that is important in this universe, not just in the context of The Force Awakens, but in the entire galaxy.” “She deserves it. We’ll make sure that that answer is something that feels like it was something that happened a long time ago, far away, and we’re just telling you what happened.” “I love Rey. But I love her. And I love what she represents in that universe and where we can take her. It’s pretty incredible." (January 12, 2016)
    Johnson: "[The deepening of familial themes in Episode VIII is] a huge part of especially Rey’s character, something that was a really powerful part of her setup and something I really wanted to dig into with this.” (January 9, 2017)
    Hidalgo: "The theme of family, legacy, lineage and all that is always important in SW. Sure, it’s important in regards to Rey.” (November 11, 2016)

    Ridley seems to have been reprogrammed a bit since then.

    Daisy Ridley: “We will see in a year [what relations]. Just sit tight on that question.” (October 21, 2016)

    Daisy Ridley: “I thought a lot was answered in ‘The Force Awakens’ [about Rey]. Then after the screening I went for a drink with my agent and everyone, and we were chatting away and I realised that oh, in their minds it’s not answered at all!” “I think curiosity is a wonderful thing. And I do find it quite funny that people keep asking about it. Just yesterday a guy asked to take a picture with me, and went ‘Is Luke your Dad?’ And I was like, ‘chill out, you’ll see’!” “I’d love to see the look on people’s faces [when they find out the answer.] But with answers come more questions, and there’s definitely going to be enough to keep people going for another two years!” (December 5, 2016)
     
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    Maz is a wise character. The idea is that she can see the truth in people. She sees in Rey that Rey knows the truth herself but won't admit it - the truth being her family is never coming back. Rey knows it. Maz doesn't know the facts but she knows what Rey knows deep down. To then confirm that to Rey whilst knowing Luke is her father is cruel. It is utterly different from Kenobi not telling Luke his dad is a monster.


    Literally all those quotes tell me she isn't Luke's and that to Daisy the truth was revealed in Tfa because her family are dead but she's making a new family.

    Likewise, Johnson indicates that this will be important likely because the death of ones parents is a big deal - especially if Luke had some role in it. For Daisy to say that what Rey is doing now in terms of building a family is more important that her origins is kinda significant isn't it? Would this truly be more important than being a Skywalker? Luke's child?
     
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    Well Obi-wan knew they wouldn't allow Anakin to be trained because of his age, so the council clearly isn't just making rules up off the top of their heads. Even if its not code, there is something else with rules written down that they follow. And the multiple apprentice thing IS part of the code, and Luke didn't follow it.
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    But Maz can't KNOW they aren't if she has no clue who Rey is because Rey can't know. As I said, they could be landing on Jakku at that moment. Telling a girl her family isn't come when you have no idea who they are and what they are doing is cruel. As Is aid, for all wek now if Rey didn't run, thats what Maz would have told her.
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    What you said was - There had been thousands of JEDI in the history and only one decided to break the code and it didn't finish very well.

    Seems liek your'e talking about the history of the Star Wars universe to me.

    Even just on screen, we see two other Jedi basically fall in love, they just pulled back from it. So to assume that in all the thousands of Jedi in the history only 1 broke the code.......seems unlikely.
     
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    I think people are perhaps looking a bit too closely at the code itself rather than what was behind it. Years of Jedi wisdom and knowledge enabled her to realise that attachment, not love, was the path to the dark side. A Jedi had to be selfless else the knowledge they would get in being a Jedi along with their attachment would
    Lead to their doom.

    Now look at Luke, a Jedi master. Ignoring the likelihood that he knows all this, it's what he would feel himself that is important. He'd know the dangers of attachment. He'd know that training older kids/people brings greater risk. He'd know that he couldn't possibly raise a family and devote himself fully to the force (which he promised to Yoda). Now sure it could be written and indeed may be written that Luke forsake all that. But for starters that renders his hero journey in the OT pointless. Secondly is this how Luke would really act? Would he act selfishly (remember the galaxies fate depends on the Jedi Order) after such an act of selflessness in rotj?

    I just think Luke would be wiser than that. I think this trilogy needs to be about Vader's dark legacy rather than Luke's errors.
     
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    Star Wars is also about the death of parents dealt with on-screen.

    Anakin Skywalker : Shmi Skywalker (killed off in Episode II)
    Luke Skywalker: Anakin Skywalker ('killed off' in Episode IV, actually killed off in Episode VI), Padme Amidala (killed off in Episode III)
    Rey: Han Solo (killed off in Episode VII), Leia Organa (TBD)

    Ezra: Ephraim Bridger (killed off in Star Wars Rebels), Mira Bridger (killed off in Star Wars Rebels),
    Jyn: Galen Erso (killed off in Rogue One), Lyra Erso (killed off in Rogue One)
     
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    How do you know Luke had multiple apprentices at the same time? I'll save you time. We don't.
     
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    I think there are some old rules Luke would go against. Taking on older apprentices and having many of them
    being a couple of them.

    But these things aren't dangerous in and of themselves. Attachment is the danger. Ambition. Impatience. Anger. Jealousy. That's what Luke would avoid. That's how you remain a true Jedi. For Luke it is even more imperative to stay true to the monk like Jedi ways of old as he remains the last hope for the order and by extension the galaxy.
     
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    He also knows the benefits of attachment. It saved his life in pretty much every movie - Han, Leia and Anakin all save Luke because they are attached to him.

    How/why would he come to that conclusion? We know he didn't cut himself off from Leia and Han, and willing took his nephew as a student. It doesn't like he felt like family was a problem. None of this renders his OT story pointless.

    But having a family isn't Luke's error.
     
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    That isn't attachment. Love and compassion saved him and saved his father. Attachment is the feeling of greed, jealousy, selfishness. It's about caring about what things mean to you rather than for everyone else. Luke became a Jedi when he let go of his attachments, his desire to control everything and instead sacrificed himself.
     
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    I mean, that's basically what you're doing. Hyperbole of it, sure, but the same thing. Just, you know, don't make stuff up and we're good.

    [QUOTE="master_shaitan, post: 336205, member: 1724"
    Of course all this could be done to hide the truth from the audience but that would be appalling writing and turn TFA into a farce. It would mean that that movie is made poorer just to keep what would be an obvious reveal in the next film.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, that would be terrible. It'd be like if Obi Wan said Luke's father was dead, or somthing. :p

    I think we all need to remember how Star Wars consistently is pretty coy about this kind of thing. And again, maybe Rey is being used to subvert the trope- but none of us know yet, so claiming knowledge of it is just silly.

     
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    That made sense. Luke wasn't ready for the burden.
    Why would Rey knowing Luke was her dad be a problem?
     
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    Who says Luke WOULD feel greed, jealousy and selfishness over his wife and children? If his best friend, sister and father can care for him but not be attached, why can't Luke do the same thing? What if we find out Luke sacrificed himself to ave his wife and/or Rey? Wou;d that then mean he isn't attached in that negative way but only has love and compassion for them?
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    You mean why wouldn;'t you want to give the girl who just ran away because she can't deal with what shes hearing be in a good place to hear more?
     
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    I know I have a tendancy to be sarcastic much.

    Working on it.
     
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    I'm simply saying that the definition of attachment that Lucas uses is one where it means you are being selfish.
    I'm not saying that Luke would be attached if he had a wife and kids but that it is more than likely as the the point of having a wife and kids is partly selfish.
    If selfishness wasn't involved, then you probably wouldn't have your own kids. You'd adopt. If you didn't desire your wife and want to keep her to yourself, you wouldn't marry her.

    Does this mean that Luke would fall to the Dark Side if he had a wife and child? Maybe not. But it would be a risky move and a risky thing for any new Jedi he is training. He'd have to lead by example.

    And Luke very nearly fell to the Dark Side because of his attachment to Leia. Sidious offered him the chance to save his friends if he turned. Thankfully Luke rejected that and stopped trying to control everything. He saw that if he struck down his father than he would become Vader himself. He let go of his attachment. And this act in the end redeemed his father.

    But turning evil aside, would Luke feel it right to have a wife and kids whilst building the Jedi order? Would he even want to risk it? Would he not feel that he should be devoted to serving the Force?


    Huh?
    Maz confirms her darkest fears rather than revealing her most precious dreams. I think Rey would've been far better off learning there and then that the hero of the galaxy was her father and that she holds the key to finding him!
     
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    But that definition don't only apply to spouses and apply to every spouse. We know Luke didn't cut off the rest of his family, we know he broke other elements of the Jedi code - so to claim he COULDN'T do this because of the Jedi is ridiculous. And given Lukes vastly different upbringing then PT era Jedi, vastly different experience with attachments actually saving his life, its completely belivable that he'd go a different way.

    Maybe he was leading by example because he thought having a family and people who care for you is a good thing.

    You're right - Luke figured out how to have a family and NOT give in to greedy and the darkside. Something he could teach. Who says you can't have a family AND serve the force?

    Tell her that her father is some mythical man who Rey doesn't believe in is A LOT to take in. Maz is telling her the truth about her family (which if she knows NOTHING abut them as you claim, its fairly cruel cause she doesn't know if shes right or not) and could very well be leading this into who her father is, but clearly REy isn't ready for all this infomatino and takes off. Its not like Maz ended the conversation.
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    Did you read it?

    "Kylo Ren then betrayed the other Jedi studentS studying with Master Luke Skywalker......"

    Yes, MULTIPLE Jedi would train MULTIPLE children before they went to one-on-one trianing. Luke was the only Jedi, therefore he could only have 1.

    Are you really trying to split hairs between apprentice and student?
     
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