SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

ROTj is awesome, don’t care if you hate Ewoks. Jabba stuff, Yoda death, Ackbar, speeder bike, Throne Room/Space Battle ->TFA.

Both Empire and Jedi do not stand on their own but they at least don’t shroud everything in stupid mystery boxes.
Empire doesnt have a climax but an emotional climax, as Kershner once said

New Hope is a three act story. He leaves Tatooine at the end of act one, Obi Wan dies at the end of Act 2, Luke flies into the death star battle in act 3.

Luke has an arc that is consistent. A young farm boy who dreams of being pilot gets more than he bargains for when he destroys the evil Empire’s greatest weapon, thus becoming the heroic space pilot he never thought of, while discovering the force runs strong in his family.

Rey has no consistent arc. a young scavenger who wants to be with a family we know nothing about can do anything and everything cause she can, meets a defected storm trooper and wants to take a random droid to the resistance because....just because then he touches a saber and sees random visions, then runs away only to get kidnapped by the evil first order then gets out anyway and kicks the evil warrior’s ass without any knowledge of jedi training known to the audience. She then decides she’s going to go to the mysterious space wizard to give him his saber back and...

 

In my scenario after Rey's mom left Luke she could have very easily settled down with someone else. The man that Rey sees as her dad. That could be the voice that speaks.

 

An example of how foreshadowing works: Chewie said that he felt cold outside of SKB. Now Chewie didn't know then that Han was going to die. He was just complaining about feeling cold. Still, in hindsight we the audience realize that Chewie's words foreshadow Han's death on SKB.

Maz didn't know who Rey's family was and who had abandoned her on Jakku. She just told Rey that they would not be coming back. If Rey turned out be a Solo, then in hindsight Maz' words could still work as foreshadowing, because Han was dead and it's possible that Leia and Ben would also die. The foreshadowing applies even if Rey had briefly, unknowingly been together with members of her real family, because ultimately she's not getting her family back.

As for Han and Rey not recognizing each other, that could be explained by Rey separating from Han and Leia while she's very young, and her parents thinking that she was dead. If you don't find that explanation plausible, just remember that the TFA plot has a lot of less-than-convincing elements - R2 waking up at a convenient time, both LST and the Falcon happened to be on Jakku, Anakin and Luke's light sabre just happened to be in Maz' castle for Rey to find, Captain Phasma being a pushover when it came to disabling SKB's shield, a superweapon bigger and more powerful than the Death Star built by an organization with less resources than the Empire, etc.

 

It doesn't explain why Han couldn't care less about the girl all along the movie.

 

Luke (in a raspy, drawn out, deep voice): "No..."

Rey: "uh, I didn't say anything"

Luke: "...I am your father"

Rey: "wait, you are?"

Luke: "I was just reminiscing. Oh no...are you another kid left to dry out in the sun?"

Cue Obi-Wan's ghost appearing and explaining everything. Exactly. That theory makes no sense.

 

If Han didn't recognize Rey, and he thought that his daughter had died a long time ago, then to him Rey was just a girl from Jakku, and his behavior toward her in TFA was reasonable. Also, I wouldn't characterize Han's attitude as "couldn't care less". He did agree to help Finn rescue her.

 

He was already on Starkiller and if Leia doesn't recognize her and Han too who will ?

 

There are rumors that Rey has force vision(s) in the Jedi temple on Ahch-To in the first act of Episode 8. It's possible that's how Rey find out who her parents were and how she ended up on Jakku. Also, the recent MSW rumor has some kind of birds that observe things and perhaps allow force-sensitives to access their memories.

http://makingstarwars.net/2017/01/rumor-star-wars-episode-viii-and-the-importance-of-convorees/

 

For what interactions ? Solo is dead, Fisher too ...

I don't see what it brings to the story, you're not family with unknown people, you're family with people you live with.

Even if Luke is her dad, she's shared more with Unkar Plutt than with Skywalker at this moment of her life.

You don't feel confortable with a dude who abandonned you for whatever reasons.

 

No attachment, obligation, possession or conditions - sounds like true love to me! (seriously.)

The above ↑ calls from Filoni make more sense to me than Buddhist notions of bypassing attachment through removing ones sense of self. We are "one" on many levels and our sense of separateness is often delusional (we harbour as many bacterial cells as "human" cells, have semi-permeable membranes, eat, drink and breathe our surroundings etc.) but... Jedi, like everyone else, also need a sense of self to develop empathy for the other and take responsibility for their actions!

 

The reason to have Vader and Luke be father and son in the OT story is to raise the personal stake and to create a dilemma for the hero in resolving the central conflict of the OT. Similarly, the reason to have a story where Rey and Ben are siblings is to raise the personal stake and to create a dilemma for the heroine in resolving the central conflict of the ST.

The recent 4chan rumor reminded me of this MSW rumor back in May 2016 - "From what I have heard a few times, Rey is reluctant with (if not angry at) Luke Skywalker because she has to kill Kylo Ren and she doesn’t want to do it."
https://makingstarwars.net/2016/05/star-wars-episode-viii-the-knights-of-ren/

Now in TFA, Rey had witnessed Ben killed his own father, and later she was about to kill him before the chasm appeared to separate them. If Rey and Ben are unrelated strangers, why would she disagree with her teacher Luke and has issues with killing Ben? I think the likely explanation is that Rey found out that she and Ben are related, and given her longing for her family (and not wishing to decimate her family any further) she is likely reluctant to kill her own brother.

 

Maybe she just doesn't want to kill people and why would a jedi ask for that ?

 

I meant that A New Hope did not properly set up a 3 act story. A New Hope as act 1, ESB as act 2 and ROTJ as act 3. There was no significant plot device inserted in A New Hope which required resolution in V and VI. Lucas' never thought he would be in a position to make it into a 3 part saga. He did this only retrospectively. In fact his original plan for the 3 part saga was already in condensed form in A New Hope. Exactly the reason why ROTJ became rather problematic, as Lucas himself asserted.

The Force Awakens is the first chapter of a story of which the writers already know where it is going. They can insert plot devices freely knowing that they will only be resolved later in episodes VIII and IX. That is why there is so much mystery and so much elements to the story which still require resolution. This produces more suspense and in the end a more engaging story. Only impatient and unimaginative people have a problem with mystery and lacunae.

 

Lucas claimed that it was only on big movie but that's not really true, only elements of Empire and jedi were in the early draft. (Asteroid, Wookiee battle). But Whatever.

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There's nothing wrong with a mystery as long as there's something in the mystery box. There has to be character consistency. Example, abrams wants you to think Poe and Finn are best buds but they met only just once, so why should i care that Poe is dead and comes back?

Force awakens is nothing but set up. There is no consistent character arc and it's ultimately a nostalgia piece.
by having everything a mystery box, especially character motivation , you ultimately make the film empty, which doesn't reward multiple viewings. Saying the movie is a set up is no excuse to have a consistent narrative

A new hope was a set up but they told a satisfying story. Force awakens is an unfocused movie. You can't just rely on nostalgia to carry a movie, eventually people get tired of it.

How about you give a movie with a consistent story with actual new worlds that aren't just name changes to other planets from better movies? But wait, I guess I'm unimaginative.....

 

If Rey is a Skywalker...

If she's a Solo...

If she's a Skywalker + Kenobi...

If she's just a Kenobi...

If she's a Palpatine...

If she's a Skywalker + Palpatine...

If she's the Reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker...

If she's a random new character...