SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

If either of those point are true, they are just more examples of information being deliberately withheld from the audience for the sake of preserving a reveal. Either one would actually make things worse, not better, from a writing quality perspective.

 

The Jedi code is a set of rules the Jedi operate under that has been canonically shown to be subject to change. The idea of a Jedi that can communicate and effect events across the galaxy from a remote location is a shift from the Jedi being servants of the living Force to the Jedi essentially being able to become gods themselves. If Yoda couldn't do it in 900 years, Luke likely wouldn't be able to in 30.

 

Who said that they were going to change ? You ? Did you see that in a movie ? In a cartoon ? In any canon thing ?

The answer is no. Nowhere.

 

Not from Han she wouldn't. Rey, in that moment, is more than likely focused on the force vision she just experienced rather than her family.

Again, the assumption is that Rey needed to be told. We don't know that for certain and, as I've posted previously on this thread, in a vague, mystery box way, Maz could have been telling her Luke was her father in that scene. If Rey knew or was told by Maz, there is no dick move.

Rey had to let go of her compunction to return to Jakku and whatever was behind that compunction. The question is whether it was something real (her true family) or something imagined she was letting go of.

I didn't say they were just that they could be changed.

Not really. The entire movie Rey is secretive and never is shown to be ignorant of who she is yet that subject is constantly brought up by others when she's not around clearly to create and maintain the mystery. Rey herself never seeks knowledge about herself or her family from any one. Case in point; Maz tells her that whoever she is waiting for is never coming back but she never asks Maz if she knows who or where they are. With Leia and Rey, they share a hug and a quick good bye on screen so there is no expectation of a reveal like with the Han and Leia conversation.

 

Because it pleases you and a jedi acting through the Force doesn't ?

that has been canonically shown to be subject to change

And yes, you did say that.

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If you look without any judgement in that scene, you can see that Rey feels the Force, she's not using it.

The Force move is coming from another source ( like the mindtricks ).

Even the saber seems to be thrown by someone else, she just grab it.

 

I think Luke mind wiped the entire family, Leia, Han, Ben, and also Rey. Luke is the only one who knows Rey's past, IMHO.

 

Not a jedi move.

He might have mind wiped all Jakku people too.

 

Didn't think of that, so only the Sith tamper with the mind?

 

It's not about what pleases me and I've never said it was. However, there was a discussion about 10 pages back on this thread where it was canonically shown that it the Jedi code was subject to change based on TPM.

What I see in that scene is Rey connect to the force and defeat Kylo Ren not someone else controlling her every action.

 

I don't know but it's like hurting people. This is not a light move. Whatever your reasons are.

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Because you didn't look closely.

And there's no point of making Ep II and III on attachment if it is shown in Ep I that the rules weren't good.

You're making things at your will.

 

The example we were discussing involves Han knowing (or at least suspecting) that Rey is Luke's daughter. If Rey is already aware that she is Luke's daughter, then the writers would absolutely have been withholding even more information, and misleading the audience with false reactions, since Rey would not have believed Luke was a myth, nor would she have reacted the way she did to the idea of finding him.

 

I'm not arguing EP I and II with you. It doesn't change the fact that TPM shows that the Jedi code could be changed up to and including the attachment rule so changing the code DOES fit the lore and is not something I'm making up but your idea doesn't in my opinion.

Agree to disagree on the video.

 

Yoda appeared to Ezra through the Force. Palps killed Padme.

And this is not canon for sure ?

Glad you don't want to speak about your own vision of the prequels with me, it will lead nowhere.

 

I know but I was merely jumping in about the Rey and Leia part of the discussion not the Han part.

With Rey, I was referring her behavior as an indicator of what she did or didn't know. That line about Luke being a myth has been given way too much weight when it comes to this topic in my opinion. We don't know the true context of her statement. Was she being honest or was it part of her secretiveness and said to throw the others off because she didn't trust them enough to tell them who she really was at that point in the movie? Or perhaps she hadn't figured out who she was yet but did later on in the movie.

Also, I believe she was reacting to the force vision and not the idea of finding Luke.

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I haven't watched Rebels and it's not communication that's the problem with your idea. It's Luke using the force to be a galaxy wide puppet master that's the problem and that it would be a major shift from what we've seen before.

Where did you get that Palpatine killed Padma? She died of a broken heart, nothing more.

I haven't said anything about a vision of the prequels so don't know what you're talking about there.

 

Where is the problem ? Luke could have learned things in the first jedi temple like Yoda did the same in Rebels to appear to Ezra from Dagobah ( and Ahsoka ). If Plagueis could influence the midichlorians to create life, Luke should be able to act from a long distance.

The force is everywhere, there is nothing you can't do. Open your mind and leave the OT where they are.

Vision OF the prequels ? I know my english is bad but I was talking of how you perceived it. the way you analyze it. Are you too searching a box in a mystery box ?

 

Okay, I didn't realize you were trying to change the subject - and now I'm not really sure how these points you're making about Rey are relevant to what I was saying in the post you quoted - because what I was saying about Rey and Leia was dependent on the part about Han.

But as to the points you've made above, Rey going to elaborate steps to pretend she doesn't know who Luke is, pretty much undermines the entire movie. It turns The Force Awakens into 2 hours worth misdirection to set up another movie.

It's an interesting idea to throw around just for the fun of it, but there's 0% of that being the story.

I do think it's possible that Rey knows who her parents are - that part of what you're suggesting is completely reasonable. She never even implies that their identities are a mystery to her. That's an assumption many of us have made because we're expecting some sort of major reveal - and it's possible we're all wrong about it. But if she does know who her father is, it's not Luke Skywalker.

 

The Plagueis thing is not part of the new canon so it didn't happen. I've said your idea is possible but it's a also a radical departure from what we've seen before. If Luke was controlling Rey, it takes away from her heroics and her development as a heroin in her own right and turns her into merely an avatar for the hero of the previous trilogy. It would also further damage Luke's character as he would be seen as having been able to act against the first order and save all those lives they took but instead sat back and let them all die including his brother in law Han.

I'm not a fan of the prequels but that doesn't change the fact that TPM tells us the Jedi code is subject to change making it a canonical fact.

 

We will agree to disagree and close this useless talk.

I've understood some people can't imagine else but things they already have seen.

 

Based on what we've been presented so far, you may have a point but we don't yet know the full context of what was going on. We know Rey acted secretive rather than curious when it came to her identity but we don't know why. Everything in the movie about her identity and history was either avoided, glossed over or spoken about in the vaguest of terms leaving them open to literally go any direction they want to going forward.

Again it comes back to context. What did she know and when did she know it? Did she always know Luke was her father or did she maybe only know who her mother was and learned about Luke somewhere along the way? Did she know Luke was her father all along but blamed him for her being left on Jakku so wants nothing to do with him and lies about knowing about him when he comes up? Was she completely ignorant of who she is at the beginning of the movie but her life on Jakku had conditioned her to be secretive rather than curious even with someone who might have some answers for her? The movie left it wide open so nothing is really off the table.

Fair enough my friend but you are making assumptions about me and others that isn't true. I'm not stuck in the OT but was merely giving you an honest assessment of the likelihood that your idea is the way they are going to go and wasn't the only one that did so, nothing more. I also, multiple times, complemented the idea as a good and interesting concept.

 

Rey is a skywalker, sing it in your head until you can’t sing ever.

I suspect that Kylo Ren will be redeemed. He will not die but will dedicate his life as Ben Solo, fighting evil forever, a ronin. He and Rey will be become the new Jedi Knights or masters by the end of the film.

The story of the grandchildren of Darth Vader, both go down different paths the light and the dark, both will question their decisions and will end up on the light side.