SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Pablo and the other members of the story group were already working for LucasFilm but the story group didn't exist. The members of the story group still do their other jobs but are now also part of the story group which was the brainchild of KK and formed after she took over. She is the head of LucasFilm, GL's old job, clearly she has GL's power. KK was also already a LucasFilm employee having been GL's right hand man for a couple of decades I believe. She was already number 2 at LucasFilm and wasn't brought in from the outside by Disney. I believe the transition went smoothly because Disney agreed not to assert outside control but allow KK full autonomy in running LucasFilm.

 

I think he's a master deceiver.
He's not always telling the truth. So yes, he lies sometimes....from a certain point of view.

 

From my understanding, KK isn't in the creative end but she basically axes or approves anything or sends it back for tweaking.
I'd say she's the final say, but I still think that's Mr. Iger.

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But as to suggesting otherwise is simple. This thread is 411 pages long and growing. That's why you don't flat out answer. People are still debating this. This poll moves more than Eddie Redmayne's voice in Jupiter Ascending. It's a ticket seller. It puts butts in seats.

 

He isn't clearly or in detail explaining anything. He says the saga films are about the Skywalkers. That doesn't say anything about who the main protagonist does or does not have to be. TPM is one part of a three part story whose main protagonist is Anakin Skywalker. That is not disputable. Again I'm talking about the complete story not one part of it. Rey is both the main protagonist of TFA and the ST. Anakin was the main protagonist of the PT regardless of whether or not Pablo thinks he was the main protagonist of TPM. Pablo isn't the one calling the shots now or then and GL has continually said it was all about Anakin and GL is a much higher authority when it comes to the PT than Pablo will ever be.

The fact is TPM is the story of how Anakin was discovered and began his training as a Jedi regardless of how much screen time he had or how central he was to the Naboo blockade plot.

 

Well said! I totally agree with you. I still hold my belief that she is related to Palpatine. She could be another Anakin, and Luke faces off against her like when Obi-Wan versed Anakin. If that happened it would set up the trilogy after this one as well. Star Wars (Disney) is already trying on Star Wars 10,11, and 12.
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you're right that KK launched the initiative to clean up the canon and get things in one continuity, but that's a far cry from creative direction. Carrie Beck is the director of the story group, from what i've read; not KK.

KK is there to make sure budgets are kept, that mission statements are stuck to, that production time tables are tight, that scheduling works, that marketing works, etc. she's very executive level. if at some point an artist or writer comes up with something silly, like introducing teleportation to the SW universe or something, then that would get axed way before KK or Iger even got wind of it.

EDIT: Rey being a Skywalker or not is a big enough issue for KK and Iger to weigh in on, i do agree with that. however, neither her or Iger have any part in writing, connecting the dots, and making sure the story is good. they're business people, not creatives.

 

I really think it's just Pablo playing with semantics to keep people off balance from predicting too much too soon.
He's not wrong in saying Anakin isn't the protagonist because half the time he isn't really a hero or leader. (general applied uses of protagonists in film)
We all know he's the lead.

 

i bet she's super great to work with, and most producers work alongside artists as they create content, there're no doubts there. her job is still that of a producer, and they have a lot more to think about than writing and story lines; they're waiting for artists to pitch stuff and they're there to make high level decisions that affect other aspects of the business. LucasFilm has a lot of stuff cooking right now, so i'm sure she relies heavily on the creative team to come up with good Star Wars ideas to keep the brand alive (along with her career).

 

I am not engaging in 'is luke rey's father' debate either, I just feel the need to share this in a high traffic thread where the OP probably won't complain.

Seems like some comic relief is needed here anyways.

 

KK is the new GL. She decides what does and doesn't happen in the GFFA which is a lot more than providing a few concepts and ideas. Pablo's tweets say nothing of the sort. JJ was commenting on how he felt when he saw the OT as a child not talking about what kind of story he wanted to tell.

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He doesn't say anything about who the main protagonist is or isn't. He is merely saying that Kylo was the revealed Skywalker in TFA. Rey is the main protagonist whose identity hasn't yet been revealed so he isn't saying anything one way or another because that would be seen as spoiling the intended reveal.

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Again, KK created the story group and they work for and answer to her including Carrie Beck. KK also has a history of working on the creative side so is not merely handling the business side of things. She is responsible for and in charge of everything. Does she delegate? Of course she does and has a lot of great and creative people working for her but she is no figurehead. She is just as much involved as GL was in both the business and story side of things including creative direction. Where is all this disrespect for KK coming from? She is GL's hand picked successor not Pablo or Carrie Beck or any of the other members of the story group, is the head of LucasFilm and has been given free reign to run LucasFilm and it's franchises as she sees fit. Yes, she is striving to make it a collaborative effort but, like GL before her, has the final say on all things both business and story related.

 

ugh, i'm not disrespecting KK. where are you getting that from? i'm saying she's the producer, which is a position that has its own unique responsibilities. she's not writing scripts or creating content. yes, she's part of the process, but the role of a producer is necessarily different than that of an artist. that's my point.

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some definitions of executive producer:

The executive producer oversees all of the other producers working on the same project. They make sure that the producers are fulling their roles on the given production. They can also be in charge of managing the films finances and the handling of all other business aspects of the film.

An executive producer (EP) enables the making of a commercial entertainment product. The EP may be concerned with management accounting or with associated legal issues (like copyrights or royalties). An EP generally contributes to the film's budget and may or may not work on set.

this is the role she's credited for in TFA and R1. just saying.

 

I never mentioned her comment nor has anyone else. I've merely been discussing the established pattern of Skywalker Family saga stories throughout the history of the franchise. The pattern dictates that a Skywalker Family saga story always has a Skywalker by blood as the main protagonist without a single deviation in the history of the franchise.

 

uhh, people have been talking about the KK "Costco" quote for many, many pages!

when you cite quotes as evidence for your theories, which are you talking about? evidently not the KK one, so now i'm more curious than ever!

as for deviation from the pattern, we've already established that TPM doesn't have Anakin as a protag, so that's already deviating. i know that you cover this fact by saying that Anakin is still the protag of the PT as a whole, but that doesn't change episode 1, so pardon me if i don't buy into the pattern theory.

 

The disrespect comes from saying she is merely a producer or others who totally discount her comment but would have considered it gospel if it had come from GL, the story group or even JJ. KK isn't just a producer or executive producer, she is what GL used to be; the god of the GFFA. Disney may technically own LucasFilm but it is KK, not the story group, not JJ, Kasdan and RJ and not even Bob Iger that now wields GL's power over all things Star Wars including story direction. KK is the new GL in every way. Everyone who works for or is associated with LucasFilm answers to her not Bob Iger including every single member of the story group. She gives Bob Iger updates but runs LucasFilm autonomously per Disney's sales agreement with GL.

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TPM is not a deviation as it is part of the PT and not a stand alone story. Anakin is the main protagonist of the PT and, as I said earlier, GL holds more weight on this than anyone else and has continuously said it's all about Anakin including TPM so anyone who says Anakin isn't the main protagonist of TPM is wrong.

As for the KK comment. This current conversation hasn't had mention of the quote until @master_shaitan mentioned it. I was talking about franchise history not referring to a specific quote.

 

you're right, TPM is not a stand alone story, it's part of the saga, which makes the fact that Anakin is not the protag even more telling! thanks!

"merely a producer" how is that possibly an insult? she's obviously heavily involved with the film making process, and being an executive producer is no small task. if you think being a producer is an insult then that's your bag, dude. not mine.

i don't think there's much reason to keep arguing this point. you're as stubborn as they come, and i'm unsure if you have a working idea as to what goes into producing projects like this. at any rate, it doesn't really affect what's going on with Rey and who her parents may or may not be, so maybe we should just... move along...