SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Fair call. Skywalkers have been protagonists in all saga movies and so far KK and co have left some room for interpretation in their statements. In the interests of being super clear though (not trolling - honest)...

• if TLJ happened to include 3 or 4 separate storylines or character journeys and
  
• if known Skywalker blood-relations (Luke, Leia, Kylo) featured in all these storylines but...let's say one for example

this would still not fit into your interpretation of a Skywalker saga if Rey was not a Skywalker by blood?

Again I'm not trying to proselytize - you could well be correct with your assertion. I guess I'm a little more flexible around the wording "about/around the Skywalker family" and also wouldn't put it past the ST storytellers to break a perceived main protagonist Skywalker saga tradition for 2 or 3 principal Skywalker characters.

*sarcasm* Great.
I tried to clean up my english by looking up "protagonist" and got "principal character". I then look up "principal" and get "most important". I don't know if importance is measured by screentime or centrality to the plot so I'm just going to stop typing now and lie down for a bit.

 

Trying to get @Shadrac to entertain the possibility of Rey Random is about as hard as getting @master_shaitan to take Reysolo theories seriously these days!

Either way the story goes, someone is going to be saying, "what the @$&%?" come December!

Here's a wild and crazy idea: what if Shmi had a brother or sister we never knew about? Maybe (wait for it) there is another... Skywalker family tree?

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@Shadrac if Rey was a Skywalker via Shmi's long lost sibling, would that be enough Skywalker to satisfy your lusty greed for Skywalker blood?

 

Maybe.

 

Just agree to disagree to disagree and move on... there's no arguing against this line of thought. If a person can't see the problem with this line of thought it's a waste of time to logically argue against it.

If it's a wedding ring that's used in a touching moment at Han's funeral why would he spoil it?

Why do you keep reading it?

 

It doesn't matter how many subplots they follow in TLJ. The main plot and story will be about Rey so she is the only one who can continue the family story but only if she is a Skywalker by blood.

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I could see a problem if there was one but there isn't. There also hasn't been any logical arguments against it put forth. Saying three Skywalkers is enough or that Kylo/Ben can do it so Rey doesn't have to are not logical arguments against LucasFilm following the established pattern in the ST but merely wish fulfullment for those who don't want her to be a Skywalker. There is a pattern that has been strictly adhered to throughout the entire history of the franchise including the new canon stories. It's both illogical and absurd to think they would choose to break that pattern with the flagship of the new canon; the ST.

 

The vote is 195/194, it never been so close since the release of TFA.

Anyone switching could push the Luke's camp in deep panic

 

Not agony, but laughs and irony. Now people saying that Rey being Luke's daughter is 'too obvious' and thus 'bad storytelling' can finally silence themselves. Just seeing the surprise on people's faces...........

 

There's obviously several ways to interpret Rey's journey in TFA; Her chance encounter with BB-8, the seeming coincidence that a map to Luke Skywalker is held by Lor San Tekka who also happens to be on Jakku. Her natural affinity for the Force. The lightsaber calling to her, the purposefully crafted narrative designed to hide her lineage.

Perhaps the story is designed for a random new character, and maybe nostalgia keeps me from accepting that. I do come from years of EU. Alas, Rey seems to be carefully constructed, by design, to imply legacy, Luke Skywalker appears to be the most obvious choice based off the facts presented to me.

Of course, many of the truths we cling to are our own point of view.

 

Pointing out that the ST movies are already about Skywalkers and Skywalker stories regardless of Rey isn't always about wish-fulfillment. I don't care either way (as long as the story's good) and not settling on one possibility is actually a method of avoiding wish-thinking and tempering expectations.

I do think your point about the "established pattern" is one of the strongest real-world arguments for the ReySky option.

If this was the case, I wonder how she would find out? Was Trekka onto some hunch, info, or prophecy beyond the temple map when he set wheels in motion?



If principal OT characters didn't know of ReySky things lean toward the ignorance of pregnancy/birth, genetic tampering, or memory tampering/issues plot. She may find out at the same time as some of them from an outside source or new information.

If principal OT characters did know there's going to be a few people unhappy with editing choices in TFA! *whispers "Master Shaitan" under breath*

 

I'm leaning towards yes. I've said it since the beginning, so I'm sticking with it.

I don't think Snoke is Plagueis anymore, but man, for atleast ONE of these two theories to be right, would be awesome.

Having Rey as a Kenobi is just way too much explaining.

 

Yeah, you're making my point. The inability to even concede there's a logical alternative to your viewpoint makes debating it further a waste of time.

Yeah, I'm not sure how that would even work. It would require too much retcon. It would be easier to connect Rey with a character we don't know much about. The works for Luke since we know little about what he did post ROTJ. It works for Palpatine because we really don't know what he was doing post-ROTS.

 

Maybe a Jedi artifact with some sort of power given to her by luke

 

And you're making my point by painting me as closed minded rather than offering a counter argument. I suspect it's because you don't have one. Also, you keep saying there's a problem with my line of thinking but never say what that problem is. Look, it's not about whether or not the known Skywalkers could have been the one to continue the Skywalker Family saga. Of course they could have if they had been the main protagonist of the ST but It's been confirmed that Rey is the main protagonist of the ST. That's also confirmation that Luke, Leia and Kylo/Ben aren't and never will be the main protagonist and rules them out as an alternative to Rey as being the one to continue the Skywalker Family saga. As much as you may want to ridicule the established pattern I keep pointing to, it doesn't change the fact that the pattern is a historical fact about the franchise and that there has never been a single deviation from that pattern.

That's why the pattern is the most solid evidence we have for Rey's identity. It is a fact that the ST is a Skywalker Family saga story. It is a fact that there is a pattern that has been followed without exception in Skywalker Family saga stories. It is a fact that Rey is the main protagonist of the ST. It is a virtual certainty that they will follow the pattern in the ST so ,therefore, it is a virtual certainty that Rey will be a Skywalker by blood.

Again, continuing to assert that three Skywalkers are enough to make it a Skywalker Family saga story or that Kylo/Ben has a big enough role to be considered a co-main protagonist is not a logical alternative or a logical argument and is completely disproven by the facts we do know. As I stated above, Rey and only Rey is the main protagonist of the ST and the pattern dictates that only the main protagonist being a Skywalker by blood makes a story a Skywalker Family saga story not the number of Skywalkers in a story or how big a role those Skywalkers play in the story or even how Skywalker-centric the story might appear to be.

You want to make a valid argument against the pattern? Find a quote from LucasFilm, Disney, KK or the story group where they give a different definition of what constitutes a Skywalker Family saga story other than what I've put forth or a statement from the aforementioned group saying that it's possible that someone other than Rey could become the main protagonist of the ST or give a single example of a canon story being declared a Skywalker Family saga story despite not having a Skywalker by blood as the main protagonist. I suspect you can't as everything that has been said by the aforementioned group has pointed in the opposite direction and every canon story has strictly adhered to the pattern without exception and I think there is a reason for it; to differentiate between saga stories and other stories meant to expand the universe. To break that pattern would only confuse and disrupt the diversity and expansion they are hoping to achieve by doing both saga and stand alone films.

 

Personally I think Rey has to be a "Skywalker", but I don't see why that requires a blood relationship to Luke. Maz said look to the future. My guess is this trilogy is about how she gets the surname. And my bet is she'll have imperial origins, but effectively be adopted by Luke.

Leaving that aside, what do we really know about the "Skywalker" family? We don't know why Shmi has that surname. It might be a reference to a previous owner rather than to her own family (happened with real slaves). And anyway we don't know if Anakin is biologically related to Shmi. He may have been entirely a child of the Force who was simply carried by Shmi. So why insist on a blood relationship?

 

Because the established franchise pattern insists on a blood relationship. You have a point on where the surname may have come from but every Skywalker main protagonist has been a Skywalker by blood not adoption. BTW: Shmi was his mother so of course they were biologically related.

 

google who the protagonist of The Phantom Menace is and you'll find that the majority of the internet agrees that Anakin is not playing that role. so there's a counter argument based on research for you to chew on.

if a Skywalker wasn't the protagonist of the first chapter of the PT, then it's not hard to imagine something similar happening in the ST. if Rey isn't a Skywalker they may push who the protagonist is to another person in subsequent episodes, who knows.

as for quotes from KK and Disney and TPTB, they're not going to give the game away through some lame interview with Variety magazine, or via some tweet response to a fan question. when they talk to anyone, even via twitter, this is a form of marketing. they're trying to sell you on the new films by giving cagey comments about what their trajectory is.

all that stuff aside though: look up who the protagonist is in TPM and digest.

 

Amen son, this is truth. This is the only way. Any other way is deviant!

 

lol @Valim how can you disagree with, "go look up this crap online and figure it out."

honestly, do a tiny bit of research. even a cursory glance shows that most people agree: Anakin is not the protagonist of the TPM, ERGO it can happen again.

EDIT:
https://www.quora.com/Who-is-the-protagonist-in-Star-Wars-Episode-I-The-Phantom-Menace

 

I have watched all 7 films a shed load of times, I don't need research or anyone else to tell me about SW. The whole point of of TPM is that QGJ fins Anakin, the boy who is the chosen one, the one that will give birth to all future Skywalkers, it's setting up the franchise. The didn't give him the most screen time because he was 6 dude. But all 6 other films have had Skywalkers as the main guy.

So, i do disagree with you.. is that ok with you?

Feel free to disagree with my Ray Solo posts.. it's a free forum man.

TBH, some folks are so desperate for Ray to not be a Skywalker that they'll scrap up anything to try and disprove it. It's happening, and to be frank, if Kylo Ren is the the only last relative of my childhood heros, Luke and Leia, I'll be ragging with The writers of the ST. Ren, is a murder, strangler, father killer, torturer and messed up. If that's the only thing Luke and Leia can produce I'll be seriously disappointed. Rey MUST be family.