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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  1. DarthPilkington

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    seems like a pretty obscure way to tie characters together, but you're right, she IS breathing!
     
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    And it is quite clear that they make sure you hear it.

    And it's the same when we first saw her, the same when she meets BB8 and the same when Kylo Ren tries to get into her mind.

    I won't put the vids, just trust me :p
     
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    Once he became Vader and Padme was dead he didn't think about it. He saw himself as a different person, as Ren tries to do with himself.

    I think if there is an extra element to Ren's turn it will fall on Luke's shoulders. I think Luke may have used Kylo to get to Snoke. As for Ren and humanism, we'll get that with ReyLo...
     
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    i dunno, i doubt he just stopped thinking about it. like i said, he was obviously working on understanding life via the Force, hence being a ghost upon his death. the fact that he learned this secret independent of Obi-Wan, Yoda, or Qui-Gon says that he was not following the same dark side path as someone like Palps.
     
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    I guess you haven't been paying attention to the recent information. That's a lot more than superficial information. This goes way beyond packaging/marketing.

    The Summer before TFA they were off Rey Solo. There seems to be a pattern here in the people who want to dismiss Making Star Wars info.
     
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  6. master_shaitan

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    He didn't learn about it - Kenobi and Yoda saved his spirit and brought him back from the netherworld of the force.
     
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    oh? first i've heard of this... seems pretty wacky. doesn't a person become one with the Force, effectively dissipating into the flow of everything else, unable to hold onto their individual consciousness unless you learn the trick Qui-Gon did?
     
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    I can't remember the facts just that on the rotj commentary Lucas said obi wan and Yoda were able to save Anakin. I think there is something in the annotated screenplay about the OT (1997) where Yoda says he can save Anakin before his consciousness joins the force forever or something.

    Far fetched? Yes. But this is Star Wars!
     
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    You're pushing a bit of revisionist history. This is from May 2015... it's basically a synopsis of the entire film. A few details were off, but by July it was pretty much on point. Further details on Rey came out around the middle of the Summer. MSW doesn't have an emotional agenda. They're passing along the information the best they can and trying to connect the dots.
     
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    i just read up on it and the only mention of Yoda and Obi-Wan interfering is from Legends; there doesn't seem to be anything in the new canon to support the idea that they intervened.

    at any rate, even a simple answer like, "he's the chosen one, of course he'll be able to be a ghost!" would work given that we're talking about Star Wars.

    all that aside, if Kylo Ren is shown to have a secret family, much like Anakin, that could be a cool sort of "rhyme" that isn't the hackneyed, "I am your father," route some people are taking with Rey.
     
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    Nah, Lucas said something about it and there is remnants in the old drafts of rotj where Yoda says he will save Anakin. I didn't imagine it damnit!

    On my phone so can't be bothered to hunt for it!
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 10, 2017, Original Post Date: Apr 10, 2017 ---
    @DarthPilkington

    "This little scene where he burns his father's body, it wasn't originally in the script. But I decided it gave more closure in terms of Luke's relationship to his father, letting go of his father. Even though later on, as we get to the end of the movie, as he joins the Force, he was able to retain his original identity, it's because of Obi-Wan and Yoda, who learned how to do that: how to join the Force at will and then retain your identity. But it was his identity as he was when he died as Anakin Skywalker." Rotj commentary


    In the rough draft… Ben explains that… if "Vader becomes one with the dark side of the Force, he will lose all identity. If he turns to the good side, he will pass through the Netherworld" and in the revised rough draft, Yoda "will rescue him before he becomes one with the Force." - The Annotated screenplays
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLe...he_new_info_from_msws_latest_podcast_in_tldr/

    Interesting spoiler about Luke talking to Rey about her connected to the force.
     
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    From that very article and very link you posted...

    "Uber suggests to Kylo Ren that he “not get sentimental,” as Kylo hesitates to fire. This suggests that Kylo Ren may have some relationship with Han Solo, Rey, or both. Perhaps Kylo Ren is Han Solo’s lost son, and Rey is his sister…"

    So uh, yeah....

    They were still suggesting Rey Solo at that point.

    There's no revisionist history on my part...I was one of the commenters who brought up the about-face on Rey and spoilers drying up, who had comments deleted, along with several others.

    It's actually why I came to SWNN.

    I don't have any beef with MSW. But I do observe a pattern. And believe somebody got to them and now they leak what they are supposed to.

    And thanks again for posting them suggesting Rey Solo.
     
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    I'm not going to read through 425 pages to see if anyone posted this yet but my Roomate's guess is Rey was cloned from Luke's hand lost on Bespin.

    My hypothesis is that Snoke (a non-Sith Force user) helped Plageis create Anakin through alchemical Force sorcery and got a face full of Force Lightening for his trouble. And that whatever this sorcery process is needs something rare or there can only be one 'Chose One' at a time and may take up to 10 years to complete, or drains the user of life force or something.. and that Snoke did it again and created Rey... Her mother/parents knew something was wrong/unnatural about her and abandoned her. Notice when she used the Force abilities she was angry, or scared, etc. EXCEPT at the end when she closed her eyes and focused. And that's why Luke doesn't look very thrilled to see her because he senses the dark potential in her combined with not wanting to go back to that life.
     
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    I just said that's the May synopsis and few details were still wrong. They had the Rey information correct by mid-Summer. I too was there when they deleted the comments but it seems to me more about their issues with politics and the Mary Sue stuff than anything else.
    It's revisionist history to suggest that spoilers dried up when the entire movie was laid out around August. There was nothing left to spoil. How can you suggest they dried up?

    This is a strange theory considering all the information they've leaked the past two weeks.
    Yep, this has been discussed. By definition Rey cannot be a clone of Luke. A clone is genetically identical. Rey isn't genetically identical to Luke.
     
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    How do you know what the female version of Luke looks like?

    The blastocyst (the fetus before it is a fetus) is developed from the X chromosome, and most early development is driven by maternal mRNA. Or in incorrect laymen terms: “all fetuses essentially start as female”

    It is possible to clone an opposite-gender but only for a female version of the male, not the other way around https://www.quora.com/Genetic-Engin...-clone-an-opposite-gender-version-of-yourself
     
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    Problem with cloning though is that Sidious would've just cloned Vader, accelerated his growth and created the apprentice he always wanted.
     
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    too much science lol this is Star Wars! :p

    in general, i hope we move away from the cloning business. it's kind of a weak fall back, like time travel.
     
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    Palaptine was long dead by the time rey was cloned IF she is a clone. She's only 19. Death Star II blew up 30 years before TFA
     
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    So, in the "First Lines of TLJ" thread, we get this:

    Luke: There was also a hand... did you bring my hand?!?
    Rey: I AM your hand!
     
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    You've misunderstood me - I'm saying if you can clone force users and the clone has the same power, then Sidious would've cloned his beat up Vader and made a more powerful one. And so if Rey is a clone of Luke then his powers would seem to have transferred to her which thus creates said problem.
     
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