SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Any conceivable backstory can be reduced to a few relevant lines of dialog. It really doesn't take much.

 

Considering TFA, they have a lot to explain if they went for Luke or Han and Leia.

It would leave this trilogy full of plotholes with just one movie out. It had been explained for now 470 pages !

 

Yes, and I'm pointing out that it isn't really that complicated. It only has that feeling right now because the main heroes have been mostly left out of the EU, and therefore the narrative. Luke, Han and Leia's story/path from RotJ to TFA could be written in a much less complicated way to service the movie audiences while the political story, that only hardcore fans are going to dive into, will ofcourse be deeper and more complicated.

But none are NEEDED.

Are you suggesting that a half or full page of dialog for Luke is too much to explain in 1 movie?

 

Unless this orphan is an agent of destiny brought into the struggle and brings Luke Skywalker back to the galaxy and is the path nack to the happy ending we all thought we got at the end of ROTJ. Ben's betrayal subverted the "pass on what you have learned" and the "happily ever after" of the pirate and the princess. Rey is the true heir if Anakin a nobody from nowhere rising to destiny. Ben was the assumed sucessor. He thinks so himself still only he wishes he'll be Vader not Anakin. Rey is wrapped all around this Skywalker clan. She doesn't need to be a blood relative to be a fullfilling story.

She might be. Though they have some certain point of view work ahead if that's the case.

 

There were zero flashbacks in the OT. And that's where we we found about all the connections and the stories "from a certain point of view".

Did we get any info on the Twins' mother? Other than that she was beautiful? There was almost no recounting of the past to explain how they got to where they were.

 

The ST and OT as a whole, were the story of Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One.
His rise,fall and redemption. Luke was instrumental in Anakin's journey.
But it was Anakin's journey, first and foremost.
To have 9 movies as a whole, then it has to be again about him.
We know that "balance" is the core theme of the ST, we know the Cosmic Force became dormant at the end of the battle of Endor
(= when Anakin died) and that is the same Cosmic Force that awekened in ep. VII, when Rey comes into play.
We know Anakin's lightasber, the Chosen One's lightsaber, called to Rey.

To me, it's preatty clear that there must be a connection between her and... Anakin.
It can be the blood connection. Meaning Rey is a Skywalker, "heir" of a family task.
That's the aesy way to go.

But it can be something else... not the "blood" connection, thus to Anakin as her grandfather.
To him as the Chosen One and to a task that was his task, not that of his... family (becasue it was his and not his family's task).
To what balance was supposed to be.

To me, if the answer must be connected to all the movies, satisfying in that context, then it have to put the final words
on those issues:
- what's balance?
- how was he really born?
- why the Chosen One's story is the story we know?

You can answer to those questions having Rey = his granddaughter.
But perhaps not as fully, as deeply, as if she's something more than just that...
As her powers suggest she is...

And if so, we're focusing from day one, on the wrong issue (who are their parents?)... and that's perfect if you want to be surprised.

 

Luke - Jill was one of my first students and an........amazing woman. We grew close, feel in love. Had you. Then the Knights of Ren came and...... I couldn;t... I wasn't able to........


How is that too complicated a backstory?

 

That's true. All of it

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 27, 2017, Original Post Date: Jun 27, 2017 ---

@MagnarTheGreat

I'd like to take advantage of your archive...

I remember something about a meeting at Lucas Film or Disney to present some ideas and someone - Colin perhaps ? - saying he
was surprised they were allowed to do what they are going to do...
But I just can't remeber better or find a link, something...

I'd like to read that again (if that exists).

Thanx

 

But there were no time lapse too.

There is no 30 years hole in the OT.

 

Oh you mean the whole time lapse between Vader having kids, Anakin "dying" and the Jedi all but eliminated?

 

Theses movies were made 20 years after, it wasn't the plot of the OT.

The relations between the new heroes and old ones is supposed to be told or not ?

I don't think there will be another trilogy to fill the 30 years void.

If you want filiation, you'll have to explain it. Why Luke, Han and Leia abandonned their child and more over never search for one second for her.

 

My point was that a whole lot of explanation about that had happened BEFORE the current events in the OT didn't happen. 20 years of back story wasn't given. In the ST they can do the same thing. It can remain foggy and open to interpretation and "points of view". Even when they do "explain" backstory it can be left with huge gaps of information. And it should.

 

the thing is.. Rey's past is already a mystery, and the whole star wars watching world wants to know who she is.

So either she will remain a mystery, which i very much doubt.. or there will be some expedition to some degree to explain who she is and who she was waiting for on Jakku.

as far as i can see, whether it's via dialog or some form of force back vision - it looks as though there will be blanks filled in during the next 2 films for Rey. I would also say that whether Luke is her father or not, there are some blanks that Luke needs filled in as well.

i'm not sure i see a difference between the amount of explanation we'll need for Rey & Luke whether they are related.. or not.

in Empire Luke is told by Vader that he came from the dark lord's loins. that's it as far as Empire is concerned. Then in Jedi, there are a couple of very short convos that cover it. very little expedition, but a dinosaur size twist.

They could go the same way.. no? She finds out the truth in ep8 (whatever that is) and we wait till 9 to find out a few more details.

 

So it's not important if they come lazy and don't explain anything as long as the outcome will please the fans ?

Why not.

 

Were they lazy in the OT not explaining why Luke didn't know who his parents were? Or how Vader became Vader? Or Why Ben is a "hermit"? When you're dealing in the present the "whys" of the past aren't all that important. If Rey finds out that Luke is her father, the explanation doesn't have to be much more than "I didn't know you existed, I only suspected" or "I didn't want to fail with you like I did Ben, so I did what I felt was best."

In SW movies, there isn't huge expositions on why things happened in the past or how they happened. Did we get a huge explanation on how Palpatine became Palpatine? Did we get a huge explanation on the Chosen One Prophecy? Explanations slow down movies, *cough* Phantom Menace *cough*...

You may get an explanation. But don't expect a lot of detail or justification.

"I loved you so much I had to get you as far away from me as possible." *sobbing*

 

The OT was new, you just can't pretend nothing happened during the end of RoTJ and TFA ...

BTW, whatever. If people are pleased with 30 years explained in two lines, so be it.

"I loved you so much I had to get you as far away from me as possible." *sobbing*

That would be the laziest thing I've seen on screen for a long, long time. Some TV shows have a lot of better plots and writing than this.

I call this a writing swindle and the funniest thing is that they needed a group to do this.

You don't write movies in 2017 like they did in 1977.

 

Are you thinking of Gareth Edwards talking about the Rogue One ending?

 

It's about a style of storytelling... TLJ isn't going to become the Matrix where everything has to be explained to Rey like it was to Neo. Characters are given explanations by other characters, based on that those characters feel they want to share or what they don't want to share. It's not about being lazy, it's about what would that character say, not about what the audience wants to hear.

Is this less lazy?

"Rey, I met your mom on the the planet Shagtastic, we had a wonderful couple of weeks together, she was beautiful, her name was Jessika, she was a bad ass, like yourself. And ooo boy could she drink! Anyway, we went out separate ways. She was a bounty hunter and a smuggler and I never knew you existed... until you walked up those steps. But I knew the moment I laid eyes on you, that you were my daughter. Want some blue milk?"

 

Well, I just hope I'll be high enough to find it good.

Maybe I'm too old for this.

 

Well this is a brand for children.