SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

This is a lazy excuse, children have a lot more imaginations than adults.

 

I'd counter by saying you're too old for something is a lazy excuse for not liking the direction something takes.

 

You know the direction it is taking ?

Uh !

I have to confess, I don't.

 

Nooooo... Come on! Help me

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That's fun. But you're right. It can be something like this.
More details have to erge if she's a Solo. But in that case, several characters back soties can converge an be told as one single plot line.
I really dom't know guys.
The only thing I'm sure about is that everything is still possible....

 

For me, she's the light behind the mask. Now, we have to figure out which mask it is.

She's Kylo Ren's awakening, she doesn't have to be related to anyone because she already is. The Yang of the Ying or vice versa.

 

Finn is actually a much more straight forward mirror of Kylo (to the point Kylo's ire is initially directed at him in the forest). Oddly, few seem to notice.

 

Well, I have to disagree.

Rey's interrogatory alone where one is white and the other full black is a whole Yin / Yang thing.

StarKiller's fight is also a Yin / Yang symbol all the way.

 

Yes - because he is holding hte lightsaber, which is what Kylo wants.

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having those two sides come from the same family = higher drama

 

"Han Solo, you feel like he's the father you never had."

This quote doesn't seem to get much attention outside of pro-"Rey Solo" arguments.

 

Actually, Solo is playing the imaginary dad in TFA but he's not and Rey knows it because she wants to get back to Jakku and Solo didn't say a word to convince her to stay with him.

He let her to her wish to go back to Jakku waiting for her family.

 

That isn't what I'm talking about.

Kylo didn't get "You feel like he was a father/like a father to you" from Rey's mind. He got "You feel he's the father you never had."

The father *Rey never had.*

She had a family. (She's certainly waiting for it!) But it sounds like said family *did not include a father.*

Generally, when the only thing the narrative will say about a character's family is that it did not include a father, that means something. If the narrative ment "father and mother," it would have indicated that. As it stands, "unknown father" is the operative concept.


PH has said Rey would likely be able to recognize her family if she saw them again. Otherwise, as he pointed out, how would she know if they came back? But it sounds like she would not recognize her father.

(And I don't think it means that Rey simply had a present but cruddy father for the first 5 years of her life. Not in this context.)

I suppose this could also point to "born of the Force," like Anakin, but I very much doubt that LFL wanted to evoke memories of the PT quite thay vividly.

 

I've always thought the way she said "I'm waiting for my family"... Was either false (her secret is she doesn't really have one) or purposely vague because they didn't want to reveal anything about her family, whether she had a mom and dad or even a sibling... she NEVER says anything about her family in detail, or what she remembers or what she misses about them.

 

Well, that's another common point with Anakin.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

Right.

And the only thing the narrative tells us about her family - through Kylo, as a reliable narrator of what lies deep in Rey's mind/memories - is that it did not include a father.

That's a very specific, deliberate piece of dialogue. It's not "parent you never had." It's not "father you don't remember." It's "father you never had." That sort of information is not lightly inserted into a script. It's an excellent example of the Chekov's Gun principle.

 

When I was writing my theory ( which is the longest I've seen on the web ) I've noticed how some lines could have another meaning than the one I thought at 1st view and this piece can easily match the whole plot I made.

Thanks.

PS : Not sure the english of the sentence is very good

 

I'm not sure what you're saying - do you think there's a different way to interpret this line (other than, of course, the fact that the line also indicates that Rey regards Han as a father figure)?

My ultimate point is, if the deeper mystery is "Who's dad?" it points to "Force-conception" or Luke Skywalker.

I really don't think they're going with the former. Though if they do, we'll find out when mom is introduced in some capacity (Forceback is my guess). If dad is still a mystery by the end of TLJ, I can't see how Luke is *not* Rey's father.

Recall Maz's words in the context of "family, but no father" (sorry for the formatting - had to c/p on phone):

• Maz - "Dear child, I see your eyes - you already know the truth. Whomever you are waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back" Rey cries "but, there's someone who still could"
• Rey - "Luke"
• Maz - "The belonging you seek is not behind you, it is ahead. I am no jedi, but I know the force. It moves through and surrounds every living thing. Close your eyes, feel it. The light. It's always been there. It will guide you. The sabre - take it."

They sound less ambiguous with that extra piece of information, yes?

 

Answer in PM.

 

Hidalgo backpedaled a bit once it was pointed out that has been said published that Rey has no memory of her family (or how she got to Jakku, etc.).

 

Backpedaled from what?

 

It's not just those books, but his own book the TFA Visual Dictionary says that