JJ Abrams Says Ep 8 Haters May Be Threatened By Women

no yet...the fact that rey does not throw herself under the bus after she closes the falcon door makes her better as a character

 

I was joking (this time)...

 

In your opinion. Not mine.

 

Click bait as hell.

 

I wasn't going to join in, still a little hungover, but some people just don't get it.

Built jet-propelled racing vehicles with the engineering prowess of an MIT professor. - Yes, because he works with scrap. And has much EXPERIENCE fixing. And I would say the Force has AUGMENTED that. But even without the FORCE, he has experience and he has LEARNED.
Mastered advanced robotics, creating a fully functional humanoid droid. - See above. This is the GFFA and also, what is even being compared here?
Raced jet-propelled racing vehicles through dangerous canyons that killed or disabled the vehicles of several other professional career racers. - "He can see things before they happen. It's a Jedi trait" - But even with that he had NEVER won a race before but he had raced BEFORE therefore has EXPERIENCE.
Beat professional career racers from across the galaxy in a high-profile race. - See above
Flew a starfighter off world that he'd never set foot in before into an enemy starship, used proton torpedoes to destroy the ship from the inside, escaped completely unharmed from the ship's complete explosion and returned safely to the planet of origin. - Already established he can pilot. Everything else that happened was a combination of help from R2 and LUCK. He overheated the engines, and randomly fire the torpedoes and flew straight out. LUCK.

Rey however, DELIBERATELY tries stuff that she should have no knowledge of (sometimes multiple times which is mind boggling - I'm looking at you Jedi Mind Trick), and succeeds.

MASSIVE DIFFERENCE. Experience and learning vs "I just can".

But to stay on topic - I have absolutely no problem with a female protagonist, and no problems with females at all. I do however have problems with some people (or characters) regardless of gender.

EDIT: For clarification I have now coloured some text yellow. I never actually said those things, someone else did. I am kinda addressing the text in yellow

 

Rey built her speeder herself so she clearly knows alot about engineering.

It is true that it is never explained why she knows about the Jedi Mind Trick. I always assumed she heard about it in those stories about the Jedi.

 

I get you here. For me Anakin is insufferable whereas Rey isn’t. What Rey can or can’t do does not bother me, I relate to her and her story at an emotional level. Anakin always felt pretty blank. Maybe it was the unfortunate acting...

 

to the OP.. i'd suggest you read the article thoroughly before copying the same incorrect title across to your own thread.

9 pages of the same people saying the same spiteful things to each other.. and JJ never said what your thread title implies.

“If you are someone who feels threatened by women and needs to lash out against them, you can probably find an enemy in ‘Star Wars.’ You can probably look at the first movie that George [Lucas] did [‘Star Wars: A New Hope’] and say that Leia was too outspoken, or she was too tough. Anyone who wants to find a problem with anything can find the problem. The internet seems to be made for that.”

"if you are someone that feels threatened by women...."
is that the same as..
"JJ ABRAMS SAYS EP 8 HATERS MAY BE THREATENED BY WOMEN" ?

the way things are around here currently, we don't need to pull crap click bait in and argue about it.

 

That she did, and as far as I'm aware, even the strongest of the Rey detractors do not have a problem with this. However, someone further up (a few pages back) was trying to say that anyone who has a problem with the character Rey should also have a problem with Anakin because he built his own pod racer (amongst other things). Which, IMO is ridiculous.
The mind trick takes me out of the film every time.

Could be, or bad casting, or even a mistake in the writing and he should have been a bit older than he was? I personally don't like little boy Anakin nor Rey, partly because of the writing of her character and partly because of the acting. My own personal feeling is that both of those are missed opportunities for greatness.

 

Young Anakin and Rey are pretty equal in blank, stale and OP characters.... probably the most in common in the SW franchise. The difference is Anakin has a back story (prophesized, chosen one, acknowledged by the Jedi order) while Rey has a throw away comment by Snoke (light meets dark) which is vague, and possibly a lie or misinterpretation (by fans or Snoke himself) and that Rey now spans two movies to young Anakin's one. The other difference is that Daisy is a much better actress than Anakin's actor (age and maturity playing a huge factor here in fairness) and manages to mostly (partially) sell the narrative (as vague as it is). Add that TLJ had so many misdirects, plot twists and the like that I think many fans are very doubtful of what to believe. Also, knowing that almost every detail hasn't been fleshed out before hand of the trilogy and that it is handed back and forth between directors without a concrete plan also fuels fan incredulity (honeslty, RJ and JJ should have collaborated and lied and said they had most everything mapped out from the beginning, but it's too late to go back now). The perception of some (possibly many) is that they have liberally expanded on the lore and canon, sometimes when it wasn't necessary to do so, and the motivations were unclear (which again, without direction in the ST, it is frustrating to fans as it could have long lasting implications moving forward).

 

Not mad about older Anakin either. I felt the actor was uncomfortable with the part. Maybe it was the writing. I was never really invested in his story and didn’t really care whether he turned evil or not. Daisy Ridley, although still an inexperienced actress, has an engaging warm presence on screen. She inhabits the character with ease and seems well able to handle challenging scenes with more seasoned actors such as mark Hamil and, in particular, Adam Driver. It is no mystery to me why RJ increased her screen time with Driver. You can tell that she feeds emotionally from his intensity and the result is a more layered performance. This was evident since the torture scene in TFA.

 

It's a simple trick of guilty by association/ either-or fallacy. Something I cannot stand when people do. I saw this with Ghostbusters and it was the reason why I didn't see the movie in theaters. Not that I was a super fan of Ghostbusters. The trailers looked awful and really I am a fan of Paul Feig. Lost a lot of respect for him, but I digress.

My view on Abrams as a creator is already mixed, but this basically cements me not really caring to check out Episode Nine. Not that I was going to, but really; his entire point is a giant generalization. Yes, there are people out there who are misogynist and are SWs fans. Yes, these individuals are adamant about change and diversity.

But they are a minority and really; it is important to listen and evaluate each person's critiques on a case by case basis. This form of labeling and generalization accomplishes nothing and leads to just more partisanship. And that is sad; how SWs has turned into this identitarian political battlefield.

It's almost as if LF wants to deflect and creative a simple narrative to which many people can grasp. As I stated, there are unfortunately those types of individuals out there who are misogynists. I won't name names, but they are individuals one should be treated as the minority. Legitimate and valid criticism of this movie exists. And to simply ignore it is such a disservice.

Look what happened with WB and the DCU with Batman Vs Superman. That was them doubling down after Man of Steel and it backfired. A good example of this not happening so much was Iron man 3. That movie proved to be very divisive amongst MCU fans and even casual fans. You know what Marvel did: they compromised. They released a short that retconned Iron man 3 while keeping those events in check. It was in my view, a smart decision to make. Overall, my hope is that Abrams recognizes the legitimate, insightful criticism of The Last Jedi. And goes for a more middle of the road approach in addressing qualms but also continuing the story.

Because, I doubt that is hard to ask. But what do I know? I'm just a simple fan.

 

This is really annoying me. Threads like this should be locked. This article is BS. We keep pointing it out over and over and very few people take 5 minutes to verify the quote. JJ didn't say this quote in this context. Take some time to read the quote in context before you form an opinion.

 

Where in the movie does it say that?

(If you have to go outside the movie to explain something in the movie, that is a shortcoming of the movie)

 

The thread title really takes out of context what he said.

 

I love women and do not love Last Jedi though is that...............possible????????????

 

A movie is not a Wikipedia page. In the OT it is never stated who build the X-Wings etc., you have to go outside the movie to know that.
I really don't see how it is a shortcoming of a movie when not every little detail is explained.

 

This is hilarious. It further shows how disconnected JJ, Rian and Kathleen are with the Star Wars fans. Don't like our movies? You're a sexist and racist, because it's impossible to dislike our Star Wars movies for legitimate reasons.

It's a shame Colin got fired by Kennedy because it seems as if he would've understood the fans better. According to latest reports, the team working on the new Jurassic World movies has actual fans on set giving directions and input regarding the lore of the universe. Because the fans are usually much better experts than the makers themselves.

When it comes to Kathleen Kennedy, she seems to have a very clear mindset where she wants to take things - and nothing will ever change her mind. With the "help" of people like JJ and Rian Johnson she will pull Star Wars into the dirt. Star Wars fatigue is already a thing and toy sales are at a record low - nobody wants to buy a Holdo action figure because they are producing toys for a market that doesn't exist. But I guess JJ is going to call the kids sexist as well.

 

The Quote is completely out of context. If you would have read the full interview you would know that.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 21, 2018, Original Post Date: Feb 21, 2018 ---

“If you are someone who feels threatened by women and needs to lash out against them, you can probably find an enemy in ‘Star Wars.’ You can probably look at the first movie that George [Lucas] did [‘Star Wars: A New Hope’] and say that Leia was too outspoken, or she was too tough. Anyone who wants to find a problem with anything can find the problem. The internet seems to be made for that.”

 

Please. I read the whole interview and it doesn't change anything about my post above. My response was to the full interview.