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Let's just talk Return of the Jedi

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Kylo Solo, Jan 15, 2017.

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    Thanks for the link. 3 seconds out of a two hour film is not sufficient to ruin the movie for me or think of it any less, I have to say. I'm not being an apologist here - at least I don't think I am! - but that little moment is just not something that registers with me. I do wince at the big slug monster in the asteroid in TESB - that is a moment that momentarily takes me out of the movie, I must confess - but this scene? No, it's fine.
     
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    Han doesn’t have a whole lot to do in the second half of Jedi. I always felt that a way to remedy this is instead of having the ewok bed time story, have Wicket be awn evil ewok and have a one eye ewok be someone who doesnt like the humans. You see we think that the One-eye ewok is evil but it’s Wicket who rats them out to the Empire. So instead of a bed time story scene, the imperials blow up the village. Now the ewoks are pissed.

    Then, rather than having Han and Leia guard the shield generator, have the big obstacle be simply getting there.


    To be honest, after watching TFA, I am more appreciative of how Han was used here. He at least becomes a responsible General and helps destroy the shield generator that allows Lando to destroy the death star, which results in a victory. In Force Awakens, his arc throughout Empire and Jedi is ruined by making him a 70 year old man child.

    So I think Jedi is mostly great, I mean it is great. I may have been more critical of it had I been alive when the film actually was released by I think it’s more than a sum of its parts.

    When you think about how they beautifully teased Jabba and the Emperor throughout SW and Empire, and then we see Luke face Jabba, its great foreshadowing when he has to face the Emperor alone once again. So in terms of Luke’s story to becoming a Jedi, I think the film knocked it out of the park. Also it’s got the greatest space battle in the history of cinema that holds up today and the Emperor is so wonderfully evil.
     
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    For me, I’d have much preferred if Han had stayed on the Falcon with Chewie for the DS2.0 attack and give the raid on the shield totally to Leia after Luke leaves. Each of the big three would have their own separate paths, adding a bit more weight to their reunion at the end.
     
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    That probably would have made more sense, but also would have been a even more a repeat of a new hope.

    You would have to kill off Lando somehow.

    I always thought that Leia should have used the force or at least start to. What if she started to do it and used it when she choked Jabba with the chain. Then she uses the force again during the Battle of Endor to save Han or something.


    If they had done the Had Abbadon storyline, here’s an idea.

    After Jabbas rescue, they go to Kashyyk to liberate the wookies. They need the wookies help to infiltrate Had Abbadon. Luke goes to Had Abbadon, which is just the Jedi Temple with the Emperor now there. Then you have the same scenes with Luke and Vader, only slight adjustments to the dialogue for the plots sake.

    So Han and Leia could sneak into Had Abbadon to destroy the shield covering the Temple, to allow the fleet to move in and do their businesses.

    Instead of having a death star, the emperor uses lasers or satellites to zap them.

    So Luke and Vader story remains intact. The movie ends not with a cook out but Han and Leia’s marriage. Han and Leia get married, Luke walks away during the ceremony and shakes hands with Lando. He’s about to get on his x-wing and spots to see his father’s ghosts. Satisfied, he flies away in his x-wing for more adventures.

    Either way, I’m happy with the movie.
     
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    You think? Leia just stands around looking worried in ANH. This way she’d have had a victory that was all her own - something Fisher desperately wanted. Oh well, would’uh could’uh.
    Nah, I know it’s sacrilege, but what if Ackbar isn’t the one calling the plays in that battle scene? Just a thought.
    She does magically know Luke didn’t go poof up on the old ‘Star Deather’. I reckon that’s some mild Force action right there, yeah? Not flashy, but the princess wasn’t really about frills anyway.
    I don’t know. I like that Lucas had made exceptions for how our heroes were able to gain access to the Emperor. It was a trap. He wanted them there. Similar to how our crew somehow managed to escape that technological terror in ANH. Vader let them. It was overconfidence that tipped the scales to the underdogs.

    Having the pitiful little band be able to infiltrate the Imperial capital sort of diminishes the opposition in my mind . . . unless that too was Palpy’s ‘design’.
    That’s not terrible. It’s definitely more open-ended than Lucas wanted since he was intent to be done with the saga at that point. But spring boarding off for someone else to pick up the tale was more in line with his original pitch anyway. Oh wells, it be what it be.
     
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    Honestly, redraft the stuff where Luke and Han get caught by the ewoks and the C3p0 bed time story with something more edgy, and you have better film.

    The movie is fine the way it is. It forces you to re-examine Darth Vader, thereby forcing you to re-assess the saga
     
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    Even though it's deleted, love this scene.
     
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    Why does R2-D2 sound so different in ROTJ, compared to ANH and TESB? Look at the video above ^ to hear him.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    in the book, it is said that Luke builds his lightsaber in Ben's house, with Ben's tools and the immaterial (though benevolent) presence of the old Jedi to help him... that makes more sense than what we see in the movie, where Luke build his lightsaber in a desert cave with a simple screwdriver :confused:

    Because Oberheim had just delivered a new version of the OB-1 synth, named OB-2, with 16bits drivers and sound envelopes and stereo mode. :rolleyes:
     
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    Fair enough, maybe he started it at the house then finished it in the cave before storing it in Artoo.
     
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    the criticism I make is not focused on "only 3 seconds"... it concerns the whole Ewok's facial inexpression and frozen lips&eyes throughout the whole movie, that make their faces seem Carnaval masks. I highlighted that with the Leia-Wickett example, but it's not limited to it.



    Another criticism about the movie concerns Jabba's barge flying into the desert. I cannot buy such massive vessel floating above a sea of sand without raising a single grain ;) remember the second EP7 trailer opening, Rey who slowly passes in front of the SD wrecked on Jakku while his speeder leaves a long trail of dust behind...
     
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    OK being a space battle weenie......ROTJ had, UNTIL R1, the best space battle in all of SW.....
     
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    This is probably my 4th favorite Star Wars movie (after ESB, ROTS, and RO), but there are some things I don't particularly care for. For instance, I felt the Luke-Leia sibling reveal was a tacked on way to prevent a love triangle between Han, Luke, and Leia. I don't have a problem with them being siblings, just the execution up until the reveal. The Han Solo rescue should've been a lot shorter, because the main part of the story doesn't start until halfway through. I also didn't care for the Ewoks, Death Star 2: The Sequel, or Boba Fett's la-ame death. (Or is it his death? ;) ) But some other things outweigh these problems, like the space battle, all the scenes that the Emperor was in, and Vader's redemption and death.
     
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    Luke's speeder doesn't raise any sand in A New Hope, either. So I suppose The Force Awakens is superior to that film, too.
     
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    Jedi is a really good movie but for me empire is the best of the originals
     
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    I was just saying that the big Jabba's barge floating over a sea of sand without moving a single grain of sand is quite funny :) I didn't mean that ruined ROTJ, neither implied any TFA superiority. ;)
     
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    You called it a criticism and on another thread you have cited that the sand moving in the wake of the barge is the one improvement that the original trilogy needs. It is the reader and not the writer who makes the inference and as you made a comparison to sand moving in the wake of a speeder in a trailer for The Force Awakens then it is reasonable to infer that you believe one film to be superior to the other based on this very small issue.
     
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    I apologize. I'm not an english-born and I sometimes use a bad word to say what I think :(
     
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