SPOILER Luke SPOILER (Also Ridley, Driver, Lupita, & MvS)

Great post, and amazingly meta, considering your handle. You basically outed yourself. Lol

 

My challenge is to not post in anger as this is contradictory to the Jedi Lurker code. I will one day have to face my father, Darth Lurker. I will not fight him.

 

I had originally thought that this was in reference to Luke, due to its positioning, but it turns out this was in reference to a contract dispute with RDJ

 

Oh. Thanks for clarifying. Lurk on...

 

Honestly, at this point(11/2015), I think Luke using a remote robot/cyborg is as likely as "drone attacks" being used by the bad guys or Sith.
I think there will be a "big reveal/shocker" scene and a massive "all is lost" moment but some of these post/theories are really going out there....

 

If you are referring to Luminara as the spirit trapped, my thoughts were that her bones still resonated with her presence and the Inquisitor had used the force channelling through her to create the illusion that we saw as part of his trap.

 

This will sound simple and basic but I believe after the events of ROTJ, Luke simply lost his way.

He just started to know his father and had to kill him. Leia and everyone else went on with their lives but Luke had the hardest time of them all. So he might have trained some or a few in 20 years , or not but being the lone Jedi took its toll on him. So the last ten years he went into self imposed exile to protect the one's he loves either from himself or something he sensed that if he were around would just endanger them.

So in this exile he learned more about the force than anyone before him. Kinda drove him a little mad being by himself. I think it will mirror when Luke met Yoda on Dagobah, except Luke isn't pretending.

Everyone is searching for Luke but Kira is the one who discovers what leads to him. So this time Han gets to rescue Luke ala ROTJ when Han said he owed him one.

Luke is not bad just not himself and needs to be reminded who he is because he is always the destined white knight who will save the day once again and pass on his awakened revelations to the next family member.

 

Heeey everyone, newbie here!Been reading for a few months but decided to get involved due to the plot below.
I actually think this could be a winner!

 

Something along these lines

 

I'm off work, at a loose end, so I thought maybe I would...

That one's always seemed like a no-brainer to me. If anyone is going to sign up to do this again it is going to be Hamill. No way I can see Ford or Fisher going through this again... I think this is closure for those two. Most likely outcome for me is all three of our heroes die in this movie. If anyone survives, it will be Luke.

When you break it down, that really doesn't make a lot of sense.

Luke Skywalker, who in his crowning moment in the saga would rather die himself than kill the most feared person in the galaxy - annihilator of the Jedi order, complicit in the destruction of Alderaan, The Emperor's right-hand man - because he sensed a tiny spark of the good man Anakin Skywalker, his father, somewhere within him still... Really think about that for a moment... That same character is going to try to murder his own nephew, in front of one of his parents, because he has a whim that he's been a naughty boy? I don't care how crazy you make Luke, it just doesn't jive.

And when you add this to the mix, it makes even less sense:

I fail to see how that could possibly play out like that. Sounds nice at first glance but really try to picture it...
Luke beats up Driver. Presumably with a lightsaber, in a duel, yes? So Driver is already a Jedi or a Sith? Someone has trained him to the extent that Luke would engage him in a duel? Fair enough, that may be a plot point. But surely this can only make it obvious Luke is right about Driver in this scenario? Unless Han has been paying Driver's Sith school tuition fees and knew about it all along.

And Luke cuts him up so bad that he basically is now the new Darth Vader. Bear that fact in mind.
Solo intervenes, gets killed himself in the process, an urges Luke not to kill Driver in his dying breath.
What? So when exactly does solo intervene? Surely there are only two options:
A) AFTER he has watched Luke turn Driver into sushi? In which case, wouldn't Solo's last words be "You just killed my son, and now you have killed me too - what happened to you Lu--". Or did they both stand around for a few minutes working out whether Driver's wounds were mortal or not (because they surely must have looked it to turn him into the "grave robber") before Han decided to intervene. At which point, it probably becomes a little late to intervene really...
or
B) BEFORE Luke has injured Driver in this way? Which means it plays out like this: Luke and Driver fight. No-one gets injured. Han intervenes. Luke fatally wounds Han. Han makes Luke promise not to kill Driver. Han dies. Luke slices up Driver anyway, just for the hell of it...

And, Luke's quarters? What quarters? He's been a mad recluse for 30 years hasn't he? Why do Luke's quarters look like a Star Destroyer bridge in the concept art? Why is there artwork featuring the "grave robber" character that is clearly not the end of the movie, when Driver doesn't become the grave robber until - in the poster's own words "the end of the movie"?

Sorry, I'm not buying any of that.
Luke may well kill Han. Driver may well be Han's son, and he may well be the villain. He may also be revealed to be the "grave robber" character. And we know there is a photo/concept circulating which shows Luke and Han facing off while Driver looks on.
None of that makes the scenario outlined above believable in the slightest. Because it just.. isn't...



The other post is fair enough for a piece of speculation.
The only points I would raise are:

I don't see the need for a trip to Dagobah. Yoda's dead - he can communicate with Luke when and where he chooses now.

I seriously just don't get the obsession with Sith artefacts as a plot motivator. It just seems so tediously EU.
All the motivations in the Star Wars films were personal, and emotional. Because these are films about people.
Holocrons and haunted temple ruins and other stuff like that might be exciting in a comic book, but these are movies, and they have got to connect with people, and connect with people's emotions, otherwise it just isn't believable.
A Sith artefact means nothing. What motivated the person to find the Sith artefact in the first place, or what motivated someone to put it there, if it is just discovered? You still have to answer the same question. Simply putting an object in your story doesn't deal with the problem, it is just adding another layer to the problem.
If somebody turns evil, they have to have a real reason to do so. You may as well have a story where a man with a regular office jobs finds the keys to a tractor, so he becomes a farmer... You still have to explain what motivated him to leave his job and pursue a new career. That is the important part of the story.

Sorry, I've rambled on a bit about that one. Just that it's a bit of a pet hate of mine the whole artefact McGuffin thing.

 

The last post goes back to the Batman plot(the 2nd of the Nolan era) where Gotham City Commish Jim Gordon KNOWS Batman(Bruce Wanye) is right or "good" but must give the public impression that Batman is now evil. It could be the same story arc in TFA.
Han & Leia may know or fully understand why Luke had to kill either Driver or Isaac but feel he went to far or is going to the Dark Side(due to his madness or lack of control).
As I posted a few days before, Leia(as Supreme Leader) might honestly think Luke as "turned" due to his acts then made him public enemy #1 or a "enemy of the state".
Only Daisy or maybe a group of young leads will be aware of Luke's true intentions in the climax of TFA.

TFM
ps: I think it can be assumed by all or many forum members that the Falcon will get trashed or be damaged & rebuilt.

 

That's what I'm talking about! Thanks for taking the time to challenge those theories. One thing to keep in mind: the heart believes what it wants to. Han may be blind to things because Driver is his kid.

 

I just don't buy the Luke killing Han plot. I don't think that's something the audience would get over. Han is his best friend, supposedly the love of his sister's life (regardless of whether they are currently together or not). It definitely makes Luke less rootable. Luke, Leia and Han are the soul of Star Wars, regardless of the prequels, regardless of these sequels. To have one of them kill the other is sacrilege and I don't see it happening. I don't see how it could be an "oopsy"! mistake either. Luke is so powerful, all knowing, and makes an error that huge? No way.

 

Here it is 30yrs since ROTJ and the advancements in technology/medical still have "robot" parts. In the prequels we having cloning. Why isn't there any advancement in limb regrowth. Or better yet like that in the Matt Damon movie "Elysium". The whole thing of Sheev Palpatine just crapping out at the end of ROTJ is not believable. He can forsee the future but can't anticipate his own death? One of his talks with Anakin in the prequels was that on cheating death. The time from TESB & ROTJ would be enough for Vader or Sheev to try and clone Luke. The Graverobber. They can't turn him so might as well make one. Also the talks on Luke being crazy fits along with the views most had of Obi & Yoda in the OT, but in the end were the most stable of minds.

 

As soon as it becomes 'sacrilegious' to kill characters then a story becomes restricted and suffocated. The story that needs to be told should be allowed to breathe and not pander to the minority of fans who consider it a personal religion. Characters live, characters die. The general viewing public aren't attached so much to Luke, Han or Leia - they just want to be entertained with flashy special effects and big explosions, and the younger cast will be more the focus of a new generation of fans. A story which features the Big Three but doesn't change their lives dramatically - or catastrophically - is not worth telling, and not worth the actors' time, only their bank balances'

 

I'm not saying any of the three shouldn't be killed off. I'm only pointing to a storyline where Luke, Leia or Han kills each other. The galaxy is a dangerous place. Any one of them could be killed in any number of scenarios so I don't think it's "restricting or suffocating" a storyline. But killing each other? Yeah, no.

 

LUKE IN EPISODE VII FANBOY THREAT LEVELS

SEVERE
Luke is evil and kills Han in front of Driver.

HIGH
Luke is evil and kills Driver.

ELEVATED
Luke is crazy. Han dies in a blaze of glory, but not by the hand of Skywalker.

GUARDED
Luke is the same old Luke, just hiding to protect everyone from himself. A new threat to the galaxy forces him to intervene.

LOW
Luke is Obi-Wan. And trains at least one new jedi, if not a mini jedi academy.


P.S. @GryGry is having some fun too. Just tweeted: Who would win in a fight Han or Luke? lolz

 

I think one of them sacrificing themselves is possible... allowing themselves to be killed the way Obiwan did. Remember, he was killed by his apprentice. So it's possible that a character we love may be killed by a newer character, betrayal is possible. I just don't think it would be Luke, Leia or Han doing the killing, only the sacrificing and "You can't win, Vader. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

 

Patricide. Driver kills Han. Perhaps not directly, but his actions result in Han sacrificing himself to save everyone. And Han is okay with this. Because it was his own oversight that let his kid become such a jerkface.

(runs)

 

If Han will dies, then the time has come to cry in the cinema. :-( And cos the wet eyes I will have a blurry vision of the movie. :-( Plz no sacrifice.