Official Episode VIII - Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

That's an excellent question. It's not clear what the timing is. We do know Snoke wanted Ben to be the next Vader and played on his bloodline. How early on he revealed that to Ben we don't know. There's enough ambiguity in Bloodline as to when Leia last was in contact with Ben that it's possible the temple incident/turn could have already happened and she hadn't heard about it.

 

It's canon he turns at 23. I think the FO having a new strong force user, and Ben wouldn't readily keep up contact with his mother if he'd switched sides, keys in it happens post bloodline.

 

I think it could go either way in terms of a short window of time before or after, or even during Bloodline. He could still be 23. Luke says he was a "frightened boy"...but let's face it, it's at least six years later and he's STILL a boy. A boy in a mask.

 

You can thank Snokie Pokie for that! Keeping him emotionally and maturely stunted, by yelling and emotionally abusing him to keep him in line! Also fun dark side lessons, like telling him he needed to kill his dad to be stronger, and Kylo being a selfish twit and listening.

I think he's most mature and stable when he's with Rey in TLJ. A semi normal relationship where he can just sit down and talk. No wonder he turned on Snokie Pokie!

 

Yes to all that.

 

I'm so happy he's dead. Now he's roasting comfortably in hell with Palpy and Plaguis.

 

A+ Post as always and outlines my main problem with redemption.

Dude ain't a saint, and he could easily go dark further.

 

i find it interesting that people assume he just went on a rampage and massacred a bunch of apple-cheeked padawans.

he left with a faction of them, which means some were convinced he had cause to be upset/angry.

yes, he destroyed the temple and the fledgling jedi order, but i'm seriously doubting it was some kind of "sneak into your hut at night and kill you in your bed" operation. i could be totally wrong, but it stands to reason that after Ben dropped his own hut on Luke's head, the rest of the students wanted to know what happened and disagreed about the veracity of Ben's claim.

p.s. i copied this from the backlash thread because the discussion is better suited here.

 

Interesting...

I wonder if the whole "Vader reveal" actually had more of an impact on the other students than Ben? For Ben, it likely confirmed why he was different and that his parents didn't trust him. But for the other students it would've been a big shock. It might even have been what split them down the middle.

I'd also say that it is likely that Snoke was in their heads too and that the whole "Vader speaking to Kylo" stuff in TFA was without a doubt down to Snoke.

 

I'm sure it was chaos. Complete and utter chaos.

Him bringing down the hut on his uncles head despite him pleading to stop, is I'm sure, a microcosm of what happened to the rest of the temple.

The rest of the students would have felt via the force what transpired between Luke and Ben, and reacted accordingly to what they felt loyalty wise/their perceptions. Some stood with him, some stood against and died for it.

 

i honestly don't think the Vader reveal played any part in it.
it seems more likely they found out after Ben and his "faction" went off, and it's what precipitated them finding or forming the KoR.
it would make sense, as you said, galvanizing Ben to his purpose.

i'd like to hope he didn't just go all Carrie on them: that he emerged from that hut saying his uncle wanted to kill him and that set off the chain reaction.
either way yeah, i suspect they chose alignments and battled it out.

 

The other students probably followed Ben because they were like...we wanna know the secret to that 8 pack.

 

Kylo has the 8 pack. As Ben, he was a mere novice in the way of muscle building. It took some dark side pressure and several training montages to even get to a six pack.

Luke tried to stop him, that's why he bought the roof down on him and killed the nonbeliever students. They called him a little b#}#{%tch under his Jedi robes.

 

I don't know...

Why would the 6 of the other students just blindly follow Ben? Why would they not be loyal to Luke? I guess, Snoke and Ben could've been getting in their heads before Luke did what he did. But I think everyone needed a reason in the first place to "let Snoke in". For Ren it was how his parents treated him and his internal power/dark/light thingy. For the other students, perhaps they felt betrayed when they learned Luke was Vader's son and they'd be deceived?

Just spitballin'...

 

or they just believed him because he believed it himself and they could sense no lie in him.
i mean, Snoke could have been messing with them or they knew/found out about Vader, but sometimes the simple answer is the best one.

 

Spoil sport

 

I think it was the classic "dark side powah" lure. Remember it'd been at least 20 years since Vader and the empire had been defeated and the wa over. Snoke did a slow job to ensure a 100% capture rate on Ben, Luke and Leia didn't know his name only his influence, so he took them all by surprise when Ben finally went.

The padawans were only students, and young men/women at that, they weren't around to witness the last defeat of the dark side and had never seen/experienced its influence. So when Ben goes, and maybe Snoke butted in with his influence at this point to promise them power, they were enthralled by it and went along.

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Peer pressure.

 

hahaha ~ do we really need more complexity making a mess of this kid's life?

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