SPECULATION OFFICIAL Finn Discussion Thread

That's a good argument but I disagree to a certain degree. I agree that Finn should have been written better or buffed, so to speak, in TFA, and hopefully will be improved in VIII, but I disagree with why he should have been improved, which goes back to my views on identity politics. I don't like Rey, or at least I am indifferent to her, because I think when they wrote/directed/etc. her character they were too concerned with the fact she was a woman rather than just a person. She was made to be hyper competent, notice I don't say Mary Sue, because they were so focused on making sure that she didn't possess the characteristics many feminists criticise that they went overboard. Therefore I don't support Finn being buffed up just because he's black but because I think his background is has more potential and he would be an interesting addition to the story rather than just another desert dwelling Skywalker, except female addition.

I await the negative ratings for the above.

I also argued this way back when I first joined the forums but I think I'm slightly tired from arguing over the Finn FS debate because I almost expect to be disappointed with Finn in ep.VIII. Probably because I'm too attached to my idea of what he will be.

 

I don't think I'll ever get tired of it. LOL. Did you watch the official trailer again at the 1:29 mark and see how they framed the word Jedi against the image of Finn? I don't think I'll be disappointed in Episode 8 (at least not in terms of the skill development in Finn). And I do understand and appreciate the contention that they showed more caution and sensitivity to how Rey was portrayed (avoiding tropes) than they did with Finn, but apparently some of it (not all of it but some of it) was John Boyega interpreting the character. I can't fault the writers for how JB acted the role. Now you could still make the case for editing or some other form of oversight to ensure there weren't any missed issues because of cultural differences (because those kind of mistakes can happen out of no malice whatsoever).

But I do think they have every intention of doing this character justice and not elevating him in marketing only to turn him into a wise cracking, more courageous Jar Jar Binks 2.0. I don't think he'll be anything of the sort, nor will any of the most pessimistic projections here come to pass. If anything they might end up over-compensating to ensure the character is shown as strong, viable, and competent and direct JB to tamp down on the humor.

I hope they don't get rid of all his humor.

 

Kylo Ren, SL Snoke, Maz Kanata, Leia, Luke, Rey. You have 6 FS from the get-go. Possibly Finn (so 7).

In OT you had:

Vader, Kenobi, Yoda, Palpatine, Luke, Leia. Maximum 5 in a movie.

I'd say numbers are appropriate.

 

Yeah, I noticed the Jedi framing when the trailer was first released, as I believe a lot of viewers did, but I'm just very reluctant to give into my bias that wants Finn to be a force sensitive.

No I don't think they'll get rid of his humour but there are many different forms of humour. A little more making jokes rather than being the joke, which wasn't all too common in TFA in fairness but was too often for my taste. He'll be the wise cracking warrior rather than the Jar Jar Binks.

 

Yep the force band just got bigger.

 

Finn can still be a jedi, but you have to remember do not get your hopes up. The writers have not given Finn any respect yet.

 

I foresee much butthurt from the anti-Finn crowd to come.

 

I don't think they intentionally disrespected him (even if there was some in the end result). I understand what you mean about not getting your hopes up, but I don't think the Finn Jedi thing is a hope, I think it's almost as foregone a conclusion as it was that Rey would be a Jedi.

And to be honest, I wouldn't actually mind Poe being FS as well. Do they make any real allusions to it? No. There's even less circumstantial evidence then there was for Finn. Outside of the fact that Poe flies circles around everyone that's ever piloted in the SW universe, if there were context clues for him, I completely missed them. The ones for Finn are all over the place though. It's going to happen.

 

True.... but (there's always a but)....

You left the part of my quote where I said there needs to be more force users than in 4-6 and a rebuilding of the Jedi Order. That removes Maz and Leia unless they've been trained and we haven't been told yet. 30 years after Return of the Jedi there's apparently only one trained Jedi? As the story transitions away from Luke in this trilogy he'd be a complete failure post-RotJ if he doesn't get a class of new Jedi up and running.

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I'm not getting this... he's basically the co-lead in Episode VII. The producers held back the marketing of Rey as a force user as a twist. If that would have been revealed before the movie it would have spoiled the ending of the movie to some degree. At the same time... they had to market some lightsaber fighting in the lead up to the film.

 

He is the co-lead, I don't think it's an implicit thing, he is the de facto and de jure co-lead. I don't think there was a big twist at all in revealing that Rey would wield a LS. Probably the worst kept secret if ever it was a secret. And I honestly don't believe they had to market any of the light saber fighting. It's the very end of the trailer and it's like 2 seconds, if they had skipped that part, the trailer was still awesome.

 

If I know what you're referring to, I can see Finn going both ways if they're trying to be "progressive."

 

Plenty of articles already about the fact that John Boyega basically said Finn wasn't gay. Now the speculation has shifted to whether Poe could be gay. However, there are still people holding out hope for a Finn/Poe romance.

 

I didn't realize Boyega, the actor, was getting screenwriting credit. Source?

 

Google it. He's involved with the character and the movies, he doesn't need to be a writer to know that. Besides, Episodes 7 practically beats you over the head with the fact that he has a thing for Rey and there's no indication at all that he feels in any way romantically attracted to Poe.

 

Watch boyega reaction to the trailer, even he thinks jedi at that part

Actors can decide if they will play a specific type of role. If you need a source tho look up it up its all over after his interview last month

 

We know John is working out for VIII and per his own remarks will be more physically active in VIII. It now also looks like he is possibly working on Kendo. John also has stated prior to TFA that we have never seen a character like Finn before. I have a question for everyone.

Would you be ok if Finn is not Force sensitive but he becomes proficient with a lightsaber and develops into a badass non-force sensitive fighting with a lightsaber?

I personally think that it will be really cool as we really have not seen a character like that before. I don't count Grievous because he was mostly machine and not a person.

 

Fair enough. I can respect your consistency even if we don't exactly see eye-to-eye.

 

I would be okay with it as long as he stands on an equal footing with Rey as a fighter and is a legitimate threat against Kylo Ren. The only problem I would have with it is some fans acting like it would be totally unrealistic even though as far as I know it hasn't been established that force users are invincible. We already have people that think it's unrealistic that he got hit on KR or can even use one to fight at all.

 

If anybody believes that they need only look to the PT's..the FORCE did stop the Jedi from being killed by Clone troopers!

 

We go from this

To this

I personally think that if he keeps a Jedi weapon, he should either be a Jedi or at least force sensitive, if he is not FS who does he fight with the saber, more storm troopers? No thanks? I prefer Jedi vs Sith light vs dark side users battling it out with sabers, and although General Grievous (a non FS multi armed cyber alien monster) vs obi wan was ok it isn't my most memorable saber duel. So here is the conundrum, after TFA moving forward what makes a more interesting arc? In the comments most pro FS Finn supporters want a Kyle Katarn arc or following the path of Jedi, while those who want a non FS Finn tend to not really care for the character as far as the main force related story line (kylo, Rey, Snoke, Luke, KOR, Del Toro) and want to see Finn delegated to back ground soldier type who either leads a ST rebellion or joins the ranks of the resistance, meh, I think the FS Kyle Katarn is far more interesting and suitable for a space fantasy like Star Wars, the super soldier fighter rebellion thing is a cool movie but it just doesn't feel as exciting as the grey side of the Force like Kyle Katarn. However the poll shows it's a close race with moSt people either wanting Finn as a non FS or as a Jedi, not a FS rouge,