Official Finn Episode VIII thread

I can relate, but that's a different conversation. But, after further thought, I can only think of one situation where Finn was a foil. The other situations, its not a foil, but I can't think of the correct term of what it is.

Anywho, Finn was used as a foil when he first meets Rey. Finn is shown to be goofy and weak to showcase Rey as being strong and serious.

 

http://www.brickfanatics.co.uk/brick-pic-of-the-day-lego-star-wars-finn-vs-phasma/

 

The character wasn't created to be black though, the same exact movie could have played out but with Jesse Plemmons as Finn instead.

 

No, don't ruin it. I like the salty version.

On a serious note, its only once I saw those comments that I realised the depth of rivalry between some Finn and Kylo fans. I didn't think that was a thing, huh.

LEGO can't seem to get that trailer expression right, he looks more puzzled than angry.

I must say I'm surprised by the amount of hype given to this fight, were people really waiting for Finn and Phasma to fight? There was no build up at all in TFA. Maybe it's just that sequence being the crescendo of the trailer.

 

Agreed & the pose should be her towering over him, I hope it's a good one.

 

There were some parts where I wanted to cringe, but for now I'll take it as the first movie, and I expect for some changes as they move forward with his character. In all honesty was there anyone that Rey didn't show up?

 

Poe. Lol. Isn't it a coincidence they didn't share any scenes.

Jk

 

I think some of that enthusiasm has nothing to do with Phasma, and everything to do with Finn finally being able to be combat competent on screen as he should have been depicted in the first movie. Phasma is really only there to be shiny and reflective and to make Finn's battle look stylistic (if we're being perfectly honest). The battle will probably be the visually most impressive of the movie. One guy dressed in all black with an electrified baton throwing arcs of electricity everywhere going up against a mirror finish Storm Trooper fighting with a a chrome staff against a background of exploding vehicles and bursts of sparks. I don't know about the choreography, but the cgi on this must have taken a month by itself.

What worries me is, what happens when that battle is over. When he and Rey are no longer separated but share the screen, is he a "squire" or "sword bearer" as others have referred to him? Does Finn have the ability to stand on the front stage or not. If he doesn't/can't, then the battle was a service and probably not one to be repeated.

 

Damn....

 

Lol.... Put it this way.Finn is meeting everyone except Luke. Rey will probably never meet those characters, and since they are keeping that all hush hush as of now, you know there has to be some real goodies for us to munch on. Even though I'm still not going to see it after I hear about Finn, I'm feeling better about the situation. Rey is going to be all over the place it seems, so the firm foundation has to come from Finn. It doesn't look like it may be Luke, so who amongst the good guys appears to be the saving grace?

 

I don't want to take the air out of your sails (or anyone else's) but it is essentially how he was characterized at one point - and of course there were those of us who pushed back against that idea, but we'll have to see which one of the schools of thought prevails.

 

Thats under the assumption that he has to be one extreme or the other. Just because Rey is central doesn't mean Finn has to be lesser. Anakin was the central character of the PT but that didn't stop Obi Wan importance. Regardless to if you (or others) see Finn's role in TLJ as the "B Plot" he is still the central character of that plot just like Obi Wan was in Attack of the Clones.

 

Its just the only part of the trailer that shows RAAAW emotion while having that star wars goodness.

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The parts where i raised an eyebrow was finn's expression after poe tells him he can fly anything. My mouth opened when poe said "we're gonna do this" and finn let that scooby doo "yeah?!" yelp out. I'll just list them: the part where poe names finn, finn drinking from the same water as a beast of burden, finn inexplicably running from some strange gal who charges him for no apparent reason, finn doing some kind of karate pose after rey startled him once he'd been freed from the rathtar, finn hearing the screams from hosnian prime (though this was a good eyebrow raise) (in fact the force sound as he gets the bloody glove made my smile), finn getting BODIED by a storm trooper, finn not knowing what explosives look like, and finn's "i'm in charge phasma" moment. The only time rey made me raise an eye brow was when she mind tricked james bond. It especially sucks to know that they cut scenes where finn took down storm troopers with the light saber. Could they be saving that for later on during his development? I won't dare to hope.

 

SAD BUT TRUU... Finn a former Stormtrooper not knowing what explosive look like?!? OMG The more one goes over Finn's so called role in TFA; the more he looks like a goof ball or rather the more they made him out to be one so Rey could shine more so... nevertheless I'm still rooting for Finn inTLJ...

 

uh...actually there's a rumor that luke does meet finn and they actually end the film together.

 

I think it's a question of mutually exclusive propositions. Either Finn can stand shoulder to shoulder with Rey against the central antagonists (by whatever combination of talent, skill, or power available to him) or he can't. It was never my belief that he was merely a sword bearer, but the question I have consistently asked is, "does Finn have the ability to stay on the front stage"? He'll be front and center of the mission storyline because he's been deliberately separated from Rey and most likely all the main antagonists. What happens when they are no longer separate? Will the determination be the only way he can retain any relevance and ability to impact the outcome is to be separated from the Force Plot and the Force Users? Will he indeed, merely exist to provide "Overwatch" for Rey that she might reach her destiny, and to provide the audience a break from Force related footage?

The Obi Wan example (IMO) does not make for good comparison with Finn as Obi Wan's participation was inherently tied to Anakin's from the moment we see them in the PT, to Obi Wan's physical demise in ANH. Obi Wan was central to the story because he was central to the main character, and even apart from the main character, Obi Wan faced off against the main antagonist in EVERY movie (Maul, Dookou, Anakin, Vader). Phasma is clearly not the most powerful antagonist, it's debatable if she's even the most formidable Storm Trooper if we were to go by the Big Screen evidence alone (we at least see TR-8R engage). But more importantly, Phasma is not one of the central antagonists. If she represents Finn's counter, if she represents the extent to which he can physically engage in conflict and have an impact , then he is the B-Hero of the B Plot. And it's not a matter of wanting it or not wanting it, that's simply what it is. And he will join the infinitely long list of characters who were important to the success of the Resistance and Rebellion that were ultimately background extras in a Skywalker galactic telenovela.

I'm going to enjoy the visuals of the Finn battle with Phasma because they'll be designed with that in mind - fantastic visuals. But I'm not going to be distracted by all the pretty lights and accept it as a substitute for main stage relevancy. When the fireworks are over, I'm going to ask the question, why and how was this personal conflict important to the main storyline? I'm not going to lose sight of the central questions that have to be answered which are, "Where does Finn fit in all this? Is he just a squire only capable of arming someone else and then moving out of the way?"

 

man i couldn't find that needle. It was from one of the early stuff to come out of MSW i think.

 

It was not Msw it was from a poster from TFN forum.