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Official Finn Episode VIII thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by romall smith, Feb 10, 2016.

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Finn Force Sensitive in Ep VIII?

  1. He is not / will not be Force Sensitive

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  2. He is / will be Force Sensitive

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  3. Does not matter he dies in Ep VIII

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    What-else they leaked about Finn for 9?
     
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    Mmmm if the people making this video are secretly wishing a carrier in comedy, I would suggest they keep their day job... Sorry, but i find bad humour painful to watch.

    I know that i shouldn't bother with a remark like this, because this is an inconsequential opinion about an inconsequential matter, but just think about it: You are lumping together people with a fancy for a romantic preference in a fictional story and saying they (or most of them as you specify) are inflexible, arrogant and entitled... Does that seem reasonable to you? You're judging people and for what? For speculating, being creative and having a bit of fun?
    You know that there is nothing wrong with people liking romantic narratives, or liking one over another, or even liking them a bit too much... that this is all for the sh*ts and giggles, right?
     
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    Wow it's been a really long time since I've been on here. Maybe six months. But I've regularly followed this thread and the other Finn thread since 2015. So I guess I feel like you all heavily invested in all of it.

    Everything that I'm about to say is my own opinion, and not fact. It isn't mean to cause any dissension, or negative argument. I just think I have a unique view as someone who's always watched from a distance this thread. One full of brilliant and passionate star wars fans.

    I wanna start on Episode 8. And again I'm not choosing sides really. If you hate it, got no problem with that, if you love it, got no problem with that either.

    For me the first time I saw it was with my mother at home on Netflix. This was after half a year of debate, heated argument, and a general consensus of disappointment.

    The first time I saw it I was BLOWN AWAY!

    I remember vividly getting that shaky feeling of adrenaline you get after a thrill ride reserved for only movies that truly make an impact on you. I held onto to every line of dialogue cross referencing instantly, lol, with my mind's data bank of Star Wars knowledge for clues and deeper meanings. I held onto every momentous second of action. Every mistakes the charterers made. Every decision. Every flashback. Every revelation. Every moment period.

    From a technical standpoint it was utter br8illiance. There truly are cinematic moments of GOLD in that film.

    Luke's death on the rocks.

    The ship going into hyper drive and darting through another.

    FREAKING YODA COMING BACK, GOOD GOD I ALMOST CRIED. LUKE MET YODA AGAIN! LUKE FREAKING MET YODA AGAIN!!!!!!

    -Sorry about that.

    The red sand planet, Luke's battle with Kylo.

    The little kid who levitated the broom. That little piece of hope it created, that whispered in my ear lovingly as if Luke was in my living room 'there's another generation just like there was in the prequel trilogy. See Jedi never die.'

    I was in a rough place at the time I saw that film and it filled with hope again like Star War's movies should. And by that metric it was a success to me.

    But here's the flip side.

    As time went on I still felt the same about everything, even now nothing has changed but their are some things even the most devout Episode 8 fans have to admit. And I mean this with no venom or teasing.

    I can live with Luke failing. He may be the most powerful Jedi of all time. But he's still human and to our knowledge there are no perfect races in Star Wars, or at least yet. So I didn't have a problem AT ALL with him failing in rebuilding the Jedi order. You had to expect that, darkness will always rise to balance itself out. Even in the son of the chosen one. My problem with Luke was in the fact he didn't rebound. This is the same guy that willing to face The EMPEROR ALONE. The most powerful Sith Lord in history and that's saying a lot if you know your star wars history minus LEGENDS. This is the guy who trusted so deeply in the force he would not allow himself to succumb to darkness. Someone so brave he took on his father, someone revered as a heat seeking menace of a monster by the greater galaxy. Luke, someone who rather die then strike down his father. Someone who helped Anakin to redeem himself. So why we he then give up now of all times. I can understand him going to The Island to 'lick his wounds', and recover. I could understand if the force spoke to him and told him to wait there, that the next Jedi meant to be would show up and find their way to him as their initial test and he would take it from there. But for him to become a hermit and just quit. This is the kind of stuff that makes me understand why people legitimately question Rian Johnson's love for or understanding of star wars.

    2ND,
    FINN. I love the character we got in Force Awakens. I think it was one of the best set ups for a Star Wars character ever. A Storm Trooper who breaks conditioning. Someone (subjective here) who Kylo notices from the beginning, that there's something different about him. So much so that he knew his designated number without being told. I understand he lost a lot in the first film, but that was ok with me because it gave his character room to grow, SO MUCH ROOM. Otherwise you get The Superman syndrome. Where someone is unstoppable from the beginning so you have no place to go that makes us believably feel for the character. Finn, someone who is described in the novels as one of ht best Storm Troopers in The First order, so much so that Captain Phasma herself cons9ders him officer material. Someone that consistently outclassed his squad mates. Someone that freaking stood up to Kylo. CAN FINN GET SOME CREDIT FOR THAT!!! Without him sparring with Kylo and holding him off, even getting a strike in, whether Kylo was playing or not, it gave Rey time to recover and for me was evidence he was Force Sensitive. because regardless of how skilled you are or trained in melee weapons a Light saber is a whole another bad boy. Are we going to act like (again subjective here) Fin didn't possibly hear the people screaming when he was running away at Maz's castle? He's the biggest hero to me in the film. His bravery, his sacrifice, and courage was second to none despite being the most naturally ill equipped of them all due to spending life only as a storm trooper. The real rivalry of this trilogy to me has been clear.

    IT'S FREAKING FINN VS. KYLO!

    They mirror each other in every way. Fin grew up in darkness and chose light. Kylo grew up in light and chased darkness.

    So tying that into Episode 8 I was just as heartbroken for Finn as I was for Luke. As someone who writes for a living, and I don't mean that to brag, that's not anything that makes me different or better. But as someone who writes for a living you can tell when a character is being written to stay out of the ole proverbial way. A great test for this is if you take Finn's arc out of the Episode 8 not much changes. There's no excuse for Finn to go from one of the most speculated characters possible Kyle Katarn, one of the three major new heroes to an arc entirely replaceable. I don't understand Rian and why he (again subjective here) fought so hard to keep Finn irrelevant to the story. I mean it seems like it was purposeful. Rey who I love by the way, she and Kylo just don't have enough believable tension as enemies, lovers, whatever else. Again i don't' say that picking sides I mean that to say it's ok. Sometimes plans change and your realize two characters that maybe you didn't plan to square off for a trilogy fit better together. That's one of the greatest realities of writing is the surprise. The way stories will speak to you in ways you couldn't always predict saying 'hey I know you planned this, but this is where it's at now.' Rey and Kylo just don't have it. my PREVAILING THOUGHT THE ENTIRE FILM WAS EVERY TIME THEY WE'RE ON THE SCREEN TOGETHER I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THE lack of chemistry. It was flat every time. EVERY TIME. It was like trying to light a wet shirt with a wetter match. It's just not there Bra. That's ok. There still kick ass characters. Rey will always have agency because it's established she's force sensitive early on, and because she resembles Luke and Obi-Wan.

    SIDE NOTE:
    Not trying bring race into it but let's be honest Rey being who she is gave her a WAY blanker slate than Finn. His character has had to endure racist petition by fans before they even saw a trailer, leak, or teaser, those that discredit his character's accomplishments and value since the beginning, and even still those who all they can creative muster for an arc since 2015 is he's related to Mace, or Lando. If that ain't see through then what is? And that makes us as , fans of color, such as myself, are so sensitive about Finn, cause trust me we've fought these battles many times in many ways. We got a good feel for it.

    3RD/LASTLY

    My last observation on Episode 8 besides the obvious missed opportunity to bring the old cast back together was how they set Kelly Marie Tran up for failure. Introducing a new character when you have a established group of characters is always delicate. But they made her off the so preachy, and long winded. I love Rose, think she should have been treated so much better, and Kelly is such a witty, and underrated actress. Which is why it upset me so to see her hung out to try like that. You send her on an adventure that I thought was visually dazzling, funny, clever, and beautiful but in all honest meant nothing in the grand scheme of things. So you throw her to the wolves by sending her on a story plot that equals nothing, gives her no enemy or grand directive that means anything in the grand scheme, I say that because most likely everybody at this point has lost a loved one, or friend, in the battle between The First order, and Resistance. Most everyone, wants the war to end, to destroy The First order, but wants to retain their agency as decent people. That's the basic crutch of most wars. So what sets her apart? Nothing. Her sister was a more compelling character in ten minutes then she was. That's setting her up for failure! You took this brilliant actress, blank slate of a character and threw her into a soup and proceeded to add no seasoning for nearly 3 hours.

    CLOSING:

    In closing I said all I did above to say for Episode 9 I'm so deeply conflicted because I'm so deeply disappoint and disillusioned about Finn, Luke, everyone. I think J.J. is a brilliant director but he has so much catching up to do. it's like being asked to run a marathon in a lunch break. I don't say anything to discourage or bring us as a fandom down. Because deep down I will always have hope for Star Wars. I think that's what sets it apart for me than any other franchise. There's a feeling of buzzing persistent hope you get no matter how the story in each film leaves off. So deep down inside me, and maybe all of hope sparkles like twin suns, but so does the deep well of doubt and anger. Pitted against each other in an eternal dance at dusk. Maybe that's what these films we're always meant to represent?

    Just my humble take.
     
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    Is anybody even on this thread anymore? Feel lonely like the one Finn fan holding a picket sign lost at a concert lol. Anybody? *Voice echoes on endlessly*

    Maybe I'm overly dedicated.
     
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    I would tell you to try here

    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....n-john-boyega-episode-ix-thread.55101/page-10

    But honestly, people aren't talking about Finn that much in this thread either because there's just not a lot to talk about given where TLJ leaves Finn.
     
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    Thanks, really appreciate it. Even in that thread though people are talking about the fact no one will post over there. So I guess this is just where we are. Makes me a little emotional between knowing this trilogy which started so hopeful with The Force AWAKENS, Finn, Rey, Poe, and Kylo is now at this point where most people in my humble opinion don't seem to care at all.

    From handing Luke that lightsaber at the end of The Force Awakens, the high and joy to this, a general emotional Incredulous feeling.

    I'll keep my optimism though. Long Live Star Wars.
     
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    There's always a mathematical chance that they'll find a way to rescue this trilogy in the last act. In the past we used to take solace in social media posts that Boyega would make, but they really aren't a good barometer as to whether or not you'll like the movie. He was posting like crazy in the lead up to TLJ and I thought we were going to get something really special. So that all said, I guess we're just going to have to wait and see (and hope)
     
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    I like Finn's character. I also support the interesting dynamic between Rey and Kylo. And, I really enjoy the sequel trilogy -- the imagery, the foreshadowing, the heroine's journey, literary tropes throughout. As someone interested in the art of storytelling, I'm intrigued. I don't believe these things have to be mutually exclusive.
     
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    I'm with you. Like a year since I've posted. :(
     
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    Here why one reason no one is here no more. Many of us feel like this guy in this video

     
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    It looks as if Rian Johnson had done his job . . . and was rewarded by Kathleen Kennedy, who initially didn't want John Boyega in the role in the first place.


    He was right about the "Marvel route". It proved to be a bad idea in the end . . . and very few people seemed to realize this.
     
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    News to me.

    Source?
     
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    Did anyone hear about John Boyega voicing what seems like displeasure about the role of his character through the trilogy. I think he responded to a tweet saying he'll give his feelings on it all afterwards, and that on set he's had discussions about disagreeing with the direction of his character. This isn't to denounce anyone who likes where Fin has gone and is going, but I always felt a talented actor like John couldn't be happy feeling like he got sidelined in a trilogy where J.J. himself once called him, paraphrasing of course, the new hero of Star Wars.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 21, 2019, Original Post Date: Jun 21, 2019 ---
    It just frustrates me because apart from however we may feel on The last Jedi, and again I thought it had brilliant and poor choices that were made. Rian Johnson is a great filmmaker. That's why it's so disheartening. I feel like someone of his experience should've known better with some of the choices. Something had to click in him and say "no that isn't a great idea," or "No Star Wars fans don't wanna see that."

    J.J. who produced The Last Jedi should've stepped in and said "Rian that ain't it. I know you wanna give them something different, but that's not a good idea" Or Kathleen Kennedy, anybody.

    How in the world do a group of star wars fans come up with a better trilogy consistently in fandom stories, fan films, message boards, and YouTube comment sections than the people PAID to do actually it. And I mean no offense to anyone who works/worked on the trilogy. I feel very confident it wasn't their intent to create such a divisive trilogy. Because nobody wants to make bad movies or divisive movies. No one.

    But I still can't help but be so utterly perplexed at what honest to god was the vision. The Last Jedi didn't even set anything up really. I do not get it.

    Is it the fact J.J. should have been at the helm for all three? Is it that Lucas Film needs a new president who seems actually interested in the material. What is it? How do we fix it moving forward.

    I'm not the biggest marvel fan, I like some characters but I'm a DC guy but I respect the fact that the people who make them genuinely seem to care and understand the material inside and out, and their fans.

    Why can't this new Lucas Film regime get this? Not being sarcastic or negative. I'm asking an honest question to my fellow Star Wars fans on here. Let's discuss.
     
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    I never felt John hinted his character went downhill but that he disagreed with the direction of the character
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 21, 2019, Original Post Date: Jun 21, 2019 ---
    https://cosmicbook.news/john-boyega-trashes-disney-star-wars?amp


    I think this is the link. I know there’s a better site where I found it the first time that doesn’t make it sound so negative. Because I don’t think John was trashing anything but being honest
     
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    OK, so I just went back through all the Star Wars celebration stuff. The panels, the unveiling, and the teaser trailer again. I've got this sudden good feeling about things again guys. I don't know if it's the time passed that's granted me this new perspective. But I think J.J. is going to pull it off. A year from now when we look at his post or this thread I think a lot of opinions might change. I think The Sequel Trilogy's last gasp will be it's best. I'm calling it for the record right now.

    I have hope again. And so should we all. Their about to nail this.
     
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    Let's hope.
     
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    A lot of really good points. You want get a bunch of push back from me on most of them. I’ve said before I think The Force Awakens wether or not some people think it’s just a rehash (no problem with anybody that thinks that way, we all deserve an opinion), The Force Awakens was a great set up for the characters, this trilogy really only got off track with the last Jedi, there was a TON of optimism I feel (just my opinion) post TFA that never returned post TLJ. And I can’t blame ppl, a lot of the creative decisions flat out did not make sense. You can’t sideline your characters halfway in a trilogy built for three heroes. You give yourself no room or value outside of one storyline and two leads and that’s stale.

    Either way You have to balance characters out and TLJ failed at that. It’s like pushing a dead Hummer to block the middle of a road you spent years paving.

    But like I said I humbly think JJ will get it back right.
     
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