Official Finn Episode VIII thread

@Just Passing Through Also I agree about the Resistance stuff. It makes little sense to state that the Republic has a fleet, yet they don't use it against such a threat like the FO. I can only guess the fleet could appear in VIII and/or IX. Really it should have been just Republic vs First Order. Also annoyed me a little that we didn't get any new ships, just X-Wings.

Now that their capital worlds got blown up, I can only presume the Republic will have be a little more hands on.

But getting back on topic with the whole Stormtrooper idea - I just think it would be a cool idea to see there be a bit of a split between Finn's former comrades, to show their fear and guilt within. It would make for good drama.

There's actually a bit of a theory that Kylo Ren sees himself in Finn. And that when Finn defects, he feels that guilt that he hasn't defected too, only adding to that internalised anger. And when he yells 'traitor' at him and fights him in the forest with such fury- it's because of all these emotions swirling inside him. Very interesting theory, in my opinion.

 

I just feel there could be too much force stuff going on in VIII but if it does come to Finn turning out to be force sensitive...it could work. As long as it's fitting for his character and the explanation giving that he is is well written and played out, then I am open to the idea just maybe there's something more to Finn than what meets the eye. I'd hate to see Finn being a wasted character throughout and I know John can do more as Finn. I really liked him alot in TFA. I enjoy his bro bond with poe.

 

i subscribe to that. i think he especially resents Finn for having the strength of will he personally lacks.

it's part of why i think Finn's role as a defecting stormtrooper is so crucial.

 

Small correction BB8 is actually Poe's sidekick.

 

They won't. This entire idea is overblown and unrealistic. I wouldn't care less if they were gay but it would be a very controversial move by Disney, especially in homophobic countries. All we've seen of Finn and Poe together indicates they're just friends.

 

I don't mind the concept of the Resistance in terms of how it fits into the context of TFA. The New Republic and First Order at in a cold war scenario with the Resistance being a covertly funded outfit to fight and keep an eye on the FO but what really irks me is if TPTB have really destroyed the NR. It's such a intellectually lazy and unoriginal idea to push the reset button by destroying the NR and having the ST be a rehash of the Rebels vs Empire. I fervently hope that the NR has merely been put on the back foot and that the destruction of the Hosnian System is merely the opening salvo of the war between the FO and NR. Like with the X-wings, for me the Resistance is such an "in your face" homage to the Rebels that it is more annoying than nostalgic.

As to the NR fleet, well it was above Bosnian Prime when it was destroyed so it is likely that the majority of it is gone or at least a large portion of it but hopefully the NR has enough military spread about that they can begin to reorganise. Much of the Resistance commanders, all former NR personnel, would certainly be welcomed back into the NR military to lead and rebuild it, they need Admiral Ackbar, damnitt.

Yes I've read that theory and I agree with it that's why I think it would be such a shame to relegate Finn to dealing with Phasma and having Kylo limited to Rey. It would make such a waste of all the build up between Kylo and Finn during TFA.

I also hope we see more of Finn's squad in the ST, although I doubt the films will actually tell the audience who they are or develop them in any way. Most have no idea TR-8TR was a former squad mate of Finn's but he was still the most memetic character of TFA.

One of the main reasons I would like Finn to be FS is more to do with the fact that I think the ST will cover the re-establishment of the Jedi Order so it is inevitable that we will see more FS/Jedi characters in the future. Why not have them be developed characters with interesting back stories like Finn rather than have them be randoms?

That's just crazy tumblr speculation isn't it? The only pair, aside from Han and Leia, with romantic undertones in the entire TFA is Finn and Rey, every other "pairing" is just fantasy/wishful thinking at this point. Christ I hate shipping.

 

Nah, they're just joking about. The article is just trying to make it sound like it's a definite thing when really all the actors/directors are doing is humouring the crazy fans.

 

Well Finn is the co-lead, AND we've got two more films to go. There's certainly some room for both Kylo and Phasma, and possibly his squad too. Not sure if Kylo would be against Finn, but definitely some kind of dynamic. Who knows? Maybe Kylo gets redeemed and they grudgingly become allies.

 

Sure but films can't pack in that much, only a 2-3 hour slot, and there is a lot to cover in this ST such as who/what Snoke is, Kylo's possible redemption, Rey's history, NJO etc.

The thing with Finn not facing Kylo is that the question becomes who does Finn face? Who is his rival/nemesis? If the answer is Phasma then we can put the rest any idea that Finn is equal to Rey in story importance. Can anyone honestly say that they are anticipating some kind of showdown between Phasma and Finn? She's a side merchandise character and her association with Finn would belittle his character relevance.

 

Instantly made me think of this:

 

Damn autocorrect.

 

Well yeah, right now we think of her as 'Captain Merchandise' but in two years, who knows? Who knows what Rian Johnson has put in his script, that they're filming right now? She was such a blank slate in TFA - she could potentially develop into a great and compelling character and villain for Finn to fight against. Our opinions could be completely turned around by VIII. I honestly think a lot of TFA was set-up for the rest of the ST (Ahch-To, Rey's parents, Snoke, Republic fleet etc.)

 

I second this. Both Phasma and Hux still have potential to be used in masterful ways. The thing about Hux that fascinates me is that he is essentially a "what if Tarkin survived EP4". I don't expect Finn's main antagonist to be Kylo - even in the OT, Han may have faced Vader in ESB and got majorly screwed for it - but Vader was Luke's battle to fight. Finn is probably going to have his own demons to face, how the writing team handles that will affect our ultimate perception of his character. Right now so many of our (new) characters are literally at the start of their story arcs that we just don't have the full picture yet.

 

Nicely put. We haven't even been introduced to all the main players yet. For all we know Benecio del Toro could be Finn's main nemesis. Many, many possibilities.

 

Phasma will never be as important to the story/saga as Kylo, that's just a fact. Thus it tells us how important Finn will be, not a co-lead that's for sure. Of course TFA was a lot of set up, and a hell of a lot of nostalgia, but how much was misdirection? This is the problem with predicting Finn's place in the story because we're not sure how much of his set up in TFA was merely meant to deceive us for Rey's benefit. He fought numerous times with the lightsaber, took part in the final duel against Kylo and a great deal of tension building with Kylo before hand. However, with Rey's reveal we all expect him to be downgraded to random side quests against the B villains because his intrusion into Rey's arc isn't necessary any more.

But that's exactly my point, I don't want Finn to become the Han of the ST. That's not a co-lead, that's a supporting character.

 

But even if he does just fight the 'B-villains' it doesn't mean he won't have other stuff to do. He's got these direct connections to the other main characters. He could become a pilot, he could become a Jedi, he could fall in love. He would still be important even if he doesn't interact with Kylo again - which I think he will do anyway.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think his importance hinges around fighting Kylo or defeating him but merely that the separation of his story from Rey's will naturally result in lesser story. If he dealt with Phasma in the first 10 minutes of Ep.VIII and moved on from that sideshow then I wouldn't have any concerns but if Phasma is his trilogy long nemesis then I know his story will be of lesser importance, a sub plot.

The arguments over whether Finn becomes a Jedi/FS are part of this because if he is then it would give him a greater chance at being part of Rey's story arc and avoiding the Phasma rivalry. Perhaps he would be matched against a KoR or Rey herself if the storyline calls for it. Being FS doesn't make this a certainty but it gives him a better shot.

 

All I'm saying is that there is no reason Finn and Rey can't continue their story together as well as having their separate story threads. They may end up at Snoke's door with sabers in both their hands by IX, but they may take slightly different routes to get there.