SPECULATION OFFICIAL Kylo Ren Discussion Thread

I think it was just the author of the article isn't aware of the rumors that Kylo is Driver.

 

You may be right.

I'd suggest that it's likely LFL/Disney had some form of review of the whole piece, in exchange for that level of exclusive, and so any language like that must have been at least seen by them if not outright approved in advance. So it seems...intentional, somehow?

Also he does mention the rumors about Ren being known as "Kira" so he clearly has some level of familiarity with rumors.

It struck me as definitely some form of direction/misdirection, since I can't imagine anyone just let it slip out clumsily in a confusing form like that. Again, why not delete that one sentence and retain the mystery without a dumb attempt to cover a truth? Then again, Abrams really thought for a while that his "John Harrison" schtick on Into Darkness was clouding the character's true identity, so...

 

Based on the “look” of Driver and a few other various pieces of info that I have seen over time, here are my thoughts:
He is probably not being trained in the force like he wants, but IS force sensitive
He is looking for any way possible to train himself: This includes but is not limited to building his own lightsaber, proving himself worthy, and showing off what he can do.
I think he tries all of this and is still not trained like others are, even though he is sensitive and/or his parent/parents are Jedi.
This causes emotional distress and that is a pretty strong path to the dark side…he goes a little astray by using his fear, anger, etc to make himself more powerful in the force. At this point, he is told about the dark side and some of its former users to scare him to stop.
It doesn’t scare him…it makes him curious..
He ends up getting more than he bargained for after digging a bit too deep and ends up a pawn of the Sith.
Setting him up to actually learn the force, but also redeem himself later once he understands just how bad the dark side is. Probably not the BIG REVEAL of the series but a minor twist to swing things in favor of the light before Ep: IX.
He just doesn’t have an evil face…unless he is a cyborg…and when you see him its hard to just go “Evil! For sure!”
I feel like Episode IX ending will actually set up the real NEW Jedi order for the future. Kylo, Finn, Rey, and a few others that are there that we don’t know.
This is a pretty good way to set up new movies beyond the 6 we know are coming. After all the strings are tied up from episodes I – IX then their creative freedom extends forever. As of right now, if they started fresh…we would all be like… “but…but…what happened to everyone we KNOW?”

 

Which echoes Anakin's path to the dark side. Qui-Gob wanted him trained; he was too young. He wanted to be on the council, they wouldn't let him until Sheev intervened. There's a petulance there that definitely echoes this idea.

 

Also, as far as the EW article…it would have been pure speculation if he had said it was Driver as Kylo Ren, because we can’t see his face unless he had put “Adam Driver was confirmed by JJ Abrams to be the hooded lightsaber wielder”

 

"Kylo Ren ignites HIS lightsaber!"
Thus putting to rest the rumors this actor is actually Gwen Christie or another female.

 

Well…now that you put it that way… it may not be the case. I think it might echo it a little TOO much. Hmm… unless there was a conversation by the Jedi trainers in the movie that made note of how dangerous it became when Anakin wasn’t allowed to train…it would be almost TOO similar. There are ways around it via good writing, but now im second guessing my own idea haha

 

An incredibly obvious clue and confirmation that was staring me right in the face, yet I somehow missed!

 

Sorry didn't mean to do that! I think it could be just laying there, not really addressed, like, "Oh damn, that kid's kinda like Anakin, remember that dude, he was eeeeeeeevil." Just a quiet parallel not something that's noticed.

 

@darthastuart I knew what you meant, it just gave me a little insight that maybe in my own mind it was too similar. Im just having this weird feeling that since it is now Disney that the whole rebellious teen being a bad idea in the end moral lesson will come into play. I dunno though.

 

I like to think that if Kylo Ren is this Force sensitive wannabe Dark-Sider, he's already his own man before learning of his powers. I know the novel "Darth Plageuis" isn't (yet) considered canon, but Sheev Palpatine was a young adult when Plageius found him. He knew he had some kind of power over people, but was not fully aware of his potential. If Kylo is going to mirror any character, I hope it is Sheev (and not only in how clumsy his name is). Anakin's instability and fall could be attributed to him being trained as a teenager, i.e. hormones are the Dark Side. Palpatine was already decidedly evil when he got his Sith training, he "fell" long before the Force truly awakened in him, and that is what I am hoping for with Kylo.

 

My question is if kylo ren will be part of the empire in the movie or if he will be working alone maybe he will be the darth Maul in this movie and not make to the next ones

 

I think he's a force senstive X-Wing pilot who some how falls to the dark side. How he succumbs to the dark side is the real mystery.

 

Hmmm... I think he hunts Sith and Jedi.

(Edited) As per DarthDwights correct info.

 

What are "Siths" and "Jedis?" The plural forms of "Sith" and "Jedi" are "Sith" and "Jedi."

 

I can't quite remember exactly where I read this speculation, but someone postulated that Kylo is almost like a dark Luke. Not in that he's simply a dark side parallel/mirror, more so along the lines of some random farm boy rises up to great power. But instead of saving the galaxy, he aims to rule it or exploit it for as much power as possible. But I only see this happening if it is indeed Driver.
I will state that I believed it to be Christie when the trailer came out, but the recently released card does say "his," so I will retract my previous assertions. The only other possibility at this point in my eyes is Serkis, based on his comments about the trailer, (“(Director J.J. Abrams) said to me, ‘Andy, just so you know you’re all over the trailer, your voice is all over the trailer,” says Serkis.)

Now, I could be reading too far into things, which I try not to do this far away from the release; however, he did say BOTH "you're all over the trailer," AND "your voice is all over the trailer." It could be a simple misstep in speech on his part, I'm just throwing it out there that it still might not be Driver.

 

I really hope not. The PT really lacked a visually menancing villian across the films. Maul could have been it, instead he stood there while sliced out of a bigger role.

Yes, after Maul we had Dooku and Jango, then Grivious, but all three felt like gap filling boss fights without evolving them.

This new Kylo excites me. His prowling charge through the snow and then his feirce halt while igniting that ancient looking sword, just screamed of a terrifying mystery, which deserves to huant his enemies across the trilogy.

 

I believe that this is JJ just using some rhetoric: stating what he meant and then reiterating it with a clarification. If that were Serkis's character in the shot, he would have said something more akin to "You're in the trailer and your voice is all over it."

I do like the idea of Kylo being a mirrored archetype of Luke. One piece of speculation I am holding on to is that Kylo goes in search of Serkis's Sith character and either has to impress him or finds Serkis to be hostile and has to protect himself. Either way, this leads to the confrontation hinted at in the trailer.

 

I would be cool if we see kylo ren evolve throughout the trilogy and be the main villian I do agree with you darth maul should have made it to revenge of the sith with his last battle being against anakin and obi wan

 

Yeah I am picking up the Anti-Luke vibe. He finds/receives a saber it starts him on a journey to the "wider world" he finds evil hidden Sith to train him.