Official Rey Episode VIII thread

I dont think Rey is going to turn to the darkside - she will be tempted in VIII.

I have a very strong feeling that Luke will be responsible for her parent's deaths and this will be revealed to her by either Kylo or Snoke or both. This will not sit with her well, for obvious reasons and we will be left unnerved and wondering how she is going to deal with this new development.

Luke will have to let her figure out how she is going to deal with this on her own. We will see her at the start of IX with a distinctive edge to her (much like Luke wearing black and being more proactive than is commonplace for Jedi). She will reconcile with Luke and turn her attention to saving her friends, the galaxy, and eliminating Snoke while attempting to save Ben.

 

Taking in the bits from the novels and addinget them to what we saw in the movie. It is possible she falls in 8.

It really just depends on a couple things.

1. Is the ST about rey? If it is then no she probably won't fall, cause it would be hard to keep fans in her court if she is evil
2. If it's not about rey is it about finn? If it is then yes she will fall and it will switch focus to her redemption
3. If not about rey or finn then it's about kylo. To that end she can't fall someone has to bring him back to the light.

I'm in the #2 camp. Many of the things boyega and j.j. said about Finn being the true hero to the story, and rey being the one that does some amazing integral things to the story, make me think it will turn into a Rey redemption story at some point.

I am stoked to read the book coming called rey's story. It's the force awakens retold from her perspective. Maybe that will last give more insight to her battle with light and dark

 

Had not heard this one before... hmmm.

 

I think Phasma is her mother. It's a gigantic stretch, but if that were the case, it'd make sense in my head.

 

Exactly my thoughts too.
I think due to the FO going on the offensive, Rey and Luke have to cut her training short and go to the aid of the Resistance.
Prior to that we will see that Luke has been holding back from training Rey somewhat, being reluctant.
Then I think Kylo, who knows who Rey's parents are and what happened to them will use it to try and turn Rey during a saber battle.
He will tell her that Luke was responsible for their deaths. This will trouble Rey of course, but like Luke in TESB she won't turn but be on the edge.
At this point, Kylo will have gained the advantage in the battle with her and could be about to destroy Rey.
This is when Luke will step in - rescuing her and taking on Kylo. Luke will do something at this point that draws Kylo back from the dark side somewhat.
Rey will run away from them both as she figures out what she is to do.

Maybe.

 

Kathleen Kennedy, Lucasfilm President: "I mean, the fact that I can sit in a meeting and say, "I think the protagonist should be a woman," I think that those are the kind of changes that are really really important in our business..." "Well one of the things, I mean the fact that the company was bought by the Walt Disney Company has been amazing because they very much support the fact that we are trying to grow in the workforce a number of women in executive positions and in all positions inside the company and with the movies that we're making and with the protagonists that we're putting in the stories. And so I got a huge amount of support with that. But we have 50% of our executive team are women. And six out of eight of the people in my story group are women. And I'm sure there's a lot of people that would be surprised that we're making Star Wars movies and the majority of the people involved in the development of those stories are women. And I think that it's making a huge difference in the stories that we're trying to tell." "[The new female lead character] is one of the first things J.J. [Abrams] and I talked about and that we talked to [Walt Disney Studios Chairman] Alan Horn about. It was a very early decision and a choice and something that we worked a long time developing." (October 2015) "Yes [it was important for the central role to be a female protagonist]! In fact, I am such a hero with my teenage daughters. They’re like, “Mom, this is fantastic!” Again, these kinds of questions and issues shouldn’t be huge factors in our society any longer. It’s kind of amazing that these conversations that I remember certainly taking place at the beginning of my career many, many years ago, and even things I talked about with my own mother, are still occurring. It is quite staggering that we’re still having to make a big deal out of the fact that there’s a female protagonist." (November 2015) "Daisy Ridley’s character Rey is the new generation’s Luke Skywalker." (December 2015)

Michael Arndt: "Yeah, it was I think May 2012, and I was just sort of doing nothing. I was back in New York and trying to figure out what I was going to do next. I just finished working on The Hunger Games, and I was like, “Okay, like no more big Hollywood franchises. I’m going to go back and do my own original stuff.” And then [Kathleen Kennedy] called me up and the initial thing was she wanted me to write VII, VIII, and IX together, and I said, “There’s no way I can do that because it’s just too crazy and daunting.” And then the story that she pitched me was she just said it’s an origin story of a female Jedi. And I was like, “I’m in. I can’t say no to that. I have to do it.” I went to the ranch and I met with George [Lucas]." "I’ll just say very quickly that very early on I tried writing versions of the movie where [Rey] is at home, her home gets destroyed, she goes on the road, she meets Luke, and then she goes and she kicks the bad guy’s ass. It just never worked. I struggled with this. This was back in 2012. It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over. Suddenly, you didn’t care about your main character anymore because like, “Oh f***, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.” This was like a huge thing." (December 2015)

J.J. Abrams: "We always wanted to write Rey as the central character." (December 2015) "You know when a movie comes out, [that] there are gonna be people who don't like what you do and that always is gonna happen of course, but you pray [that there] is someone who does, and what I'm so happy about is that there are kids who I've been hearing about through friends who've seen this movie and are all excited–and girls who are dressing up like Rey and the idea that there is, you know–there are always strong women in Star Wars–but the idea that there's one at the center now–is so exciting to me and I just... <audience claps> Well that was–Kathy Kennedy when we first talked about it she said you know we're talking about the idea of having this–a female Jedi–and I'd written some shows Felicity and Alias that had female characters at the center and I was–the idea of a female Jedi, you know, was for some reason–I thought 'oh my god there is a nineteen-year-old kid out there who doesn't know who the hell Luke Skywalker is necessarily, who doesn't know what's real [or] what's not, who is just this like–she doesn't even know she is living in Star Wars–and what happens if that is our, you know, lead character." (December 2015) "You know, I wish I had more details about merchandising and the schedule. I’m learning things as you are, but I will say that it seems preposterous and wrong that the main character of the movie is not well represented in what is clearly a huge piece of the Star Wars world in terms of merchandising." "It doesn’t quite make sense why she wouldn’t be there [in Hasbro's Monopoly]." "She’s somewhat important in the story! <laughs>" (January 9, 2016)

Colin Trevorrow: "I've seen all of the theories. I have to practice how to answer these questions." "We're going to make sure that that answer [of Rey's lineage] is deeply and profoundly satisfying." "Rey is a character that is important in this universe, not just in the context of The Force Awakens, but in the entire galaxy." "She deserves it. We'll make sure that that answer is something that feels like it was something that happened a long time ago, far away, and we're just telling you what happened." "I love Rey. But I love her. And I love what she represents in that universe and where we can take her. It's pretty incredible." "By the time we get to Episode IX, I look at that movie as one movie, as three movies, as six movies, and as nine movies. It's something that needs to honor a story that has been told over a period of 40 years." (January 12, 2016)

Lucasfilm: "Rey took her first steps into a larger world in Star Wars: The Force Awakens and will continue her epic journey Finn, Poe, and Luke Skywalker in the next chapter of the continuing Star Wars saga, Star Wars: Episode VIII." (February 15, 2016)

Rey is the protagonist, she also has the main conflict with the main antagonist, Kylo Ren, in addition to the story being mostly about her in the ensemble on top of that. The shadowy boss guy behind the scenes (Snoke) is interested in her.

This whole new entry into the franchise was engineered around Rey - a female Jedi story - from the very beginning, under Kathleen Kennedy's guidance and direction.

Rey index (VII)
Quote index

The redemptive story - if any - to tell would be Kylo "Ben" Ren's.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/12/star-wars-luke-skywalker-hooked-jj-abrams/2

 

If you like i can find quotes from the actors, JJ and kathleen about Finn being the star. My point still stands. If it is truly rey's story she won't fall, if it is actually finns or finn/rey's story then she will cause it allows for redemption. If she isn't a skywalker then it will be ben's story and all about his redemption everything else is just fluff.

You apply that to the OT.

1. Is the OT about luke? If it is then no he probably won't fall, cause it would be hard to keep fans in his court if he is evil
2. If it's not about Luke is it about leia/han? If it is then yes he will fall and it will switch focus to his redemption
3. If not about luke ,leia or han then it's about vade. To that end luke can't fall ,someone has to bring him back to the light

Edit: In all cases she plays a major role the difference is which trope she will fall into and if her story is to mimic Lukes, parts of anakins, or jaina solos

 

Kk has already said rey is the female luke. Plus why do so many posters
Forget about Kennedy? She is running the whole damb show. Not JJ not Johnson and not the last director. Kennedy is the president of Lucas Film I think she has big say about what is going to happen?

 

Oh, we already know the score. The real one. The one who isn't unconscious through the ending, the one who the Lightsaber called out to and was finally claimed by the end to be taken to Luke Skywalker, the one who the script refers to as the new Jedi, the one who blatantly uses all sorts of magical powers in the movie, the one who half of the role wasn't dedicated to comedy, the one who has the most connections to the main antagonist. WHO COULD IT BE. WHAT A MYSTERY.




http://www.fangirlnextdoor.com/2015/11/star-wars-the-force-awakens-itty-bittys-are-here.html

Other merchandise labeling of the main hero and main villain: LEGO code names / LEGO set reveals.

Officially licensed SW:TFA group shirts: link 1 link 2 link 3







Hasbro licensed Star Wars card game chart (video).

Hasbro licensed Star Wars chess game:

Or you could ignore the movie. And all that other information. And find a misunderstood or deceptive quote from a non-disinterested promoter.

 

Right so now you have a problem... you created a character more powerful than anakin, luke, or any other jedi previously. You already had her defeat the big bad and find the master to make her stronger. That definitely makes her the lead of the first movie, however if you don't humanize her you create a james bond /transporter/rambo like narrative. They can't share the screen with anyone else definitely not a full cast.

I think of her as the main character of the story in terms of frodo not aragorn. She has an epic destiny but fighting the big bad guy and won't be it but ending the war will be. does that make sense?

 

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We don't know this and am not going down the Mary sue road, am to tired and have answered this many a times. Plus she is probably going to get a bit of a slapping this time round, I bet she even loses a leg. Hell why don't they let rey sit on the throne at the end and finn be the lightsides hux /Kylo and the stormtroopers become good again. Please forgive my snapping it's 3:40 in the morning

 

LOL no mary sue comments from me, she hasn't reached that level to me yet. All of her skills are explained in the books. He strength in the force to give her an edge. my point was if they are to write a story for her she can't keep gaining power at the rate she is or she will become exactly what we don't want.

The narrative right now has her with training able to easily handle kylo. She needs an end game greater than just another final saber duel.

 

I wouldn't appreciate it if she was this "all powerful being". Rey should be human with great abilities but not god like powers. Humanize her as much as possible throughout the rest of the trilogy.

 

Finn saves Rey and "kills" her mother .

 

i've seen the movie four times now and i still don't understand the "mary sue" stuff some fans are babbling about.

I think the weirdest idea still going around is that rey in VIII is going to be the same person she was when she "let the force in" on the cliff edge. I seriously disagree with that, i think we are going to see a VERY newbie padawan in VIII, i mean just look at her skill level before the cliff edge, poor sabre technique, always running from kylo. There was two version of rey in that fight.

 

I swear you've posted this multiple times in multiple threads and to be frank it's coming off a little insecure about Rey's character. The fact that you copied and pasted this reply to someone merely speculating if another character might get equal prominence emphasises this.

I think when most people say Mary Sue they actually mean overpowered, which she was. Even then it's not like the argument for her being a Mary Sue is grasping at straws and a lot of other characters in other films are also Mary Sues.

Even if they do write it off as a fluke, which they very well might, you've got to admit Rey's victory at the end, and force abilities in general, makes it quite difficult to write around. This should be evident by all debates that have been about it and the large amount of impressive mental gymnastics.

 

I'd agree that it would be hard to write around if she was that good from the second she picked up the sabre. She's not, infact she is pretty terrible with the sabre until that cliff section.

However i believe the tight shot on her face when she says "the force" and goes into a most possessed state can be written around. I believe they will structure the story around the idea that extreme duress only triggered her ability to let the force in, and her abilities are so untrained that they don't represent her new "normal level", meaning she can only conjure them under those circumstances until she is properly trained.

 

She's not terrible before the cliff section, some awkward strikes here and there but she was managing a good fighting retreat. She was doing better than Finn was although that might be due to kylo's intent towards Rey in comparison to Finn.

That would be a good example of how to write around the victory but even then that doesn't account for the Jedi mind trick and the force pull with the light saber, although that seems to be more like a sword in the stone moment. More importantly the result of the duel at the end is still damaging to the perception of two characters to the public: both Kylo and Rey. Even if we here have discussed and understood the nuances of it, I.e. Kylo was wounded and emotionally distraught + wanting to capture Rey, to the general public Kylo is weak and not intimidating and Rey is overpowered: the former is more commonly held than the latter.

 

I'm not sure about finn being the true hero. It's always been about the skywalker legacy. SW is always a soap opera and even Trevorrow mentioned that Rey is involved in a 'galactic level'. It is speculated that she might even be involved beyond the trilogy. I hope the novels will resolve more of the questions.

 

I posted this somewhere else but I think of it is terms of say lord of the rings. If they go that route with finn it would make him like say aragorn and rey would be more in line with frodo.

If she is a skywalker then it is still a skywalker story but her part is less fight the bad guy and something more far more important