Official Rey Episode VIII thread

Anyone else notice the trauma make up here? I think our baby gurl's gonna get hurt.

In other news, eat your heart out, "Rey's A Mary Sue" crowd.

 

Yep, looks like the shirt he might have under his jacket for most of the film:

Marketing


Canto Bight


Crait


Considering that he does still appear to have the FO Officer trousers on Crait, i suppose it’s implied that they’re in way too much of a rush for him to change anything but his shirt. Seems like he might literally escape whatever FO ship he’s on, land on Crait, and gets straight into the ski-speeder?

 

Rey is a character I'm not yet completely sold on at the minute IMO she's a bit of a one dimensional 'Mary sue'. Her character hasn't really came to life yet and I have a bit of a long shot theory as to why that might be. People are probably going to seriously flame me for this but here goes....

If you look at the other newly introduced main characters Finn, Poe and Kylo, they all have really strong characters and we know some of their flaws and weaknesses along with elements of their back stories. If you look at Rey we have nothing but what you gain from face value. What drives her? What is she hoping to achieve? Where does she fit in the big picture?. We don't have definitive answers to any of these.

Now you may say this is because her parentage etc is going to be the big reveal and that will answer the above. However I don't believe and would be very disappointed if that was the case. It could also be argued that its deliberately ambiguous because her back story motivations etc will be revealed when/if she falls to the dark side. However I also don't think this will happen. Maybe we don't know any of this because it won't ever become relevant.

I'm of the view that star wars is more likely to lean toward the Skywalker line for the main character (whether I agree with it or not, which I don't) so I think kylo returning from the dark is more likely than rey falling to the dark side. And having them effectively switch would just be pointless. He's the more interesting and fleshed out character which would make him a better fit to build the story around. If they do that though, you are left with 3 'Jedi' on one side, which also seems pretty pointless (Luke, Kylo and Rey).

This is where I get flamed... Maybe she doesn't make it out of TLJ. I think killing her (which may sound nuts initially but hear me out) could elevate the story to a whole new level and could truly complete the Skywalker arc.

I don't think they will kill Luke in TLJ its far too predictable and I don't think you can explain his story or the end of it in one film. I also do think Kylo will come back from the dark side. Which leaves you with 2 Skywalker's on the same side, they may not be father and son but it has a great imagery to it that they be the ones to finally settle the score and complete the redemption of the Skywalker name and possibly bring balance to the force as Anakin was prophesied to do.

I also like this idea because if snoke is the one to kill her it gives us a real reason to hate him. Which we don't have yet. There's no emotional attachment to him or motivation to hate him other than the fact we are led to believe that we should. Him killing Rey would certainly do that.

It would also unite the resistance around one person, almost making a martyr of her. Disney have done a lot to make sure that she is very popular with the rest of the characters and also the audience; maybe this is the reason why? The only good characters to have died in any episode so far are the mentor type character that was no longer useful as a plot device ala qui gon, mace windu, Yoda, OB1 and now Han solo. Pulling off a GOT style major character death would lend so much more weight and emotion to the story and it would easily accomplish the 'biggest shock ever' claim from the Japanese poster.

Its just a theory but its definitely one that could make sense and its a route star wars have never really gone down before. Personally I think it would be quite interesting to see how this would play out. Plus I'd love to see the scandalised fangirls and boys reactions lol.

Tell me what you think, but please be kind lol I'm not made of wood.

 

Hmm. That is actually an interesting idea, if this was a higher rating film (16, or 18) it could happen. As it is, Rey is a strong female role model for lots of little kids so i doubt they would do that. Only possibility is at end of episode 9.

 

Hmm I see your point but I think if it was handled delicately there should be no issue.

Also tbf Disney is not one to shy away from heartbreaking character death, I mean have you seen Bambi? Lol

 

THIS!!! I want the movie to be THIS so bad!!! Very good man, YOU should have wrote the script for TLJ!

 

Ain't going to happen. We had that with Han in TFA.

Also, see everyone killed in Rogue One ending.

Rey is their mascot now.
You're more likely to see Luke killed off than her. They've put too much effort in Rey for a "shocking" death.

Especially when, god bless her, you can retire the Leia character because her actress is dead.

 

Am I the only one that doesn't see Luke dying during the span of the Sequel Trilogy? Besides, I was watching one day a video on "Mary Sue" and one of the examplary things that "Mary Sue" does is to die in a heroic manner, so yeah...

 

i don't. nor do i see any Mary Sues. all of these ideas baffle me.

 

Daisy Ridley is the main lead. It's not Adam Driver. It's not John Boyega.

That's what some don't seem to understand.

The Rey character's big drive in TFA is to reunite with her family.

They aren't killing off the main character in the second chapter.

The synopsis says "shocking revelations of the past" are in The Last Jedi.

 

The jacket rules.

 

Ok, a couple of things. I'm not opposed to any wild theory because speculation is what this whole forum is about (at least in the run up of a new movie, it's about analysis once the movie is available). But here's what I don't understand: if as you suggest, Rey is the least developed, one-dimensional new character, why would we care if Snoke killed her? If we have no emotional attachment to her, then her death (and who orchestrates it) doesn't matter.

I think we do have a reason to dislike Snoke. He orchestrated the death of Han Solo. And with the growing phalanx of Kylo-philes clamoring for his redemption, I think the blame and accountability for Han's demise is going to be put squarely on Snoke's shoulders. I am personally against the redemption of Kylo Ren (for a number of really good reasons but one in particular because of how JJ Abrams first described his character) but if it happens, I imagine we'll see a re-insertion of the Knights of Ren to be the opposition to the new Force Triumvirate.

Also, I don't see how Rey's death advances the storyline. It would be a great wow factor if they killed her and between Luke, Kylo, and her own Force Power she was able to come back in the next Episode, but it seems implausible to the highest order. Plus, just realistically... they are not going to kill off the first female lead Jedi in the middle or even at the end of the Trilogy. It's just not happening.

 

I have to agree with Ray here. It's an interesting approach, but as it stands now it would be mostly a shock-value approach. Which as LarSkywalker pointing out, already happened with Han in the new trilogy. If this were a far more darker trilogy I might admit it could be a possibility, but Rogue One was billed as the "darker" Star Wars story whereas the new trilogy is also catering to the child element of the audience. In that aspect, I have to agree Ray, LarSkywalker and Hannibal41 on this as Rey has been built up to be one of the many fan favorites in the trilogy. I doubt they would kill her in the second movie to advance other character motivation when there are other avenues they could investigate to do that for individual characters or as a whole.

 

Lol I knew that would t some passionate responses. Look I said it was a longshot and because of this I didn't list my limitations regarding the theory such as public perception. I thought outside the box a bit on that one.

Perfectly valid comment, I agree rey is the main character or at least is billed to be at the moment. I'm not saying what I posited was probable only that it was possible. It would be a hell of a shock if they did kill her off or even incapacitated her somehow. Making a martyr out of a main character isn't that unheard of, maybe not to this extent however lol. Dont also forget though by staying with the resistance and then going to find Luke she seems to have abandoned this drive and accepted what Maz told her.

I do think she is the least developed and as far as why are we supposed to like her? Well a lot of people already do, like I said she's a very popular character. E fact I think she's under developed doesn't mean everyone else does. I was getting a bit bored of reading the same theories so I came up with something that while obviously controversial does make sense from a story telling point of view. Like I said its possible not probable.

However if killing her off makes her massively more important to the story and elevates her status as a character; then why not? Why do we have to be spoon fed the same heroes journey with every new incarnation. Like I said it could advance the plot by rallying the resistance and giving the new and old characters something in common to fight for. ATM they all seem to have there own agendas and personal drives this could possibly make them more of a collective.

Like I said it was a lonshot theory, something I don't expect to come true but it would be interesting if it did.

Personally my most liked theory and one I'm a major advocate for and would most like to see happen was posted in a thread title 'is Luke his own enemy' (at least that's what I think it was called).

 

If that even remotely happens it would come at the very end of Episode IX

 

Again, I have no problem with fan theories (I have a number of my own) and I know our theories tend to be far more creative than what actually ends up on the screen. But I just feel like there are a few disconnects in this theory. If we have an emotional attachment to Rey, her development (or lack thereof) is irrelevant as to whether or not she should die in 9. I do agree she is under - developed at this point, but to me that is not equivalent to one-dimensional. She just hasn't been fleshed out yet. Neither has Phasma, Poe, or Hux (though they are clearly support characters in this one).

Also I don't think killing her off would make her massively more important. I actually discussed this in another thread about Finn and trying to figure out does Finn remain a lead character when he is being kept out of the Force Plot and Rey's involvement in the conflict is largely about the Force. She seems to be ideologically aligned with the Resistance, but never actually joins them the way that Luke and Leia did. As is the case for most Force Users, the galactic struggle between "good" and "evil" tends to be a proxy for their own struggle/agendas. What we have learned from other movies is that the military factions that align to the Empire (and later the FO) do not die when you cut off the head of the snake. So if Snoke were killed and Kylo were redeemed, the First Order would still tacitly exist but the Force Users part in the story would be over. I say all this to say, there really isn't a nexus between Rey's struggle and the average Resistance fighter that they would rally around her death. They likely don't even know who she is since it seems Finn is the one getting the "Big Deal" credit following the destruction of SKB.

 

I get your point and agree it wouldn't be too bad an ending although it would be a bit more predictable. I think it would have more of an effect at the end of 8. Although I don't think realistically it would ever happen.

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Good points again. I suppose my theory is based on the assumption that she was always meant to be a misleading plot device and nothing more. It also depends on the circumstances of the resistance etc as to how big the effect her death could be.

However it is highly unlikely it was just a bit of fun.

 

I have the deepest suspicion that Rey will continue her path as the STAR WARS saga's own Mary Sue. I hope that Rian Johnson will prove me wrong. Who knows?

 

Can't be bothered reading about all the negatives on here at the moment, have some images