SPECULATION Official Rey's Parents/Family Thread

no no i think you're really misunderstanding what i'm saying. i'm not saying luke said "hey let's weaponize your kids to kill snoke" no no no that's not it. there is a little fuzzy in the specific minute details, but something like this:

there is the battle of endor.
this leads to power collapses and wars in a galaxy in turmoil.
ben and rey are alive. rey is little, ben is young teen
ben loves rey most of all, and he fears for her safety in a chaotic galaxy
now, luke sets up his academy.
ben goes to train while rey stays at home with han/leia
ben is increasingly frustrated at his parents for the turmoil in the galaxy
he sees his father as 'weak' and his mother as 'foolish' in the same way anakin saw the senate, and said to padme "someone should make them to obey" or something to that effect.

now, snoke shows up and say 'ben i can help you to end this conflict, bring order back, and keep your loved one safe. ben - thinking only of his little sister's protection, says 'what must i do?' snoke explains how his grandfather anakin could have brought peace, had he just not faltered over sentiment, and completely destroyed the jedi. because, remember, sidious said to anakin 'if even one survives, it will be endless civil war" (something like that)

okay, so NOW ben turns on luke, and destroys his work. ben is doing this now to GET THINGS DONE because han isn't doing it, leia isn't doing it, luke isn't doing it, this is why he turns. this has notihng to do with luke, it is because of snoke that ben turns, in order to protect young rey, and make the galaxy safe for her.

do you see? it's only AFTER ben turns, that they must now hide rey, just as luke was hidden from vader. to protect rey FROM THE BROTHER WHOSE LOVE FOR HER IS BEING WARPED BY SNOKE TO THE PURPOSE OF EVIL. see?

when ben faces rey in the final duel- bear in mind his entire reason for turning to the dark side is to PROTECT REY. and he will be TRYING TO KILL THE VERY ONE HE WAS TRYING TO PROTECT. the final duel will be very poignant. ben will be talking about han's failure to protect his little sister, and how he was protecting her; meanwhile the truth is that everything han did was only to protect rey, and everything kylo did ends up with him trying to kill "padme" while decrying how much everything he did was to protect her. (while he's unknowingly trying to kill her in the very duel)

so do you see what is being said? luke has to put rey on jakku just as ben had to put luke on tatooine. it's an exact inversion of the first trilogies. everything that is happening is snoke's direct fault, and kylo's indirect fault. but rey is kept safe from them so they can't get to her and turn her or something. once ben turns, rey is the ONE AND ONLY WAY he will ever turn back. it is either do what luke does, or snoke wins. that is it.

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just to be clear- it's AFTER ben turns to the dark side to protect rey/padme, that luke stages 'rey died'; not only to protect her, but because he understands that it's love that is motivating kylo, and luke must take that love from him, in order to bring it back in the end, which will bring kylo back. because luke knows that's the way it works. the only way to save kylo once he turned, was to make him think rey was killed, then later reveal rey to him and let him see- in the final duel- what he has become. if this doesn't happen, then kylo ren never comes back from the dark side.

 

Thanks. for reading the whole thing more carefully as I did.. especially the Rey-part. I had to edit my posts after reading yours..was afraid that you could think me having a heart of stone

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It was strange with Rey.. the first half hour of TFA she showed similarities to Anakin himself.. bit later it was clear she has something from Han and at the end ... Luke...but perhaps she is just unique

 

oh did the world's foremost liar and misdirector say that? mark hamill likes to tweet things insinuating luke is rey's father. daisy likes to insinuate she's not han's kid. why? "look left, look left" oldest trick in the book. it's what they have to do to keep everyone from going "no kidding" when luke says "kylo is your brother". now they'll go "whaaat?!" when it was right in front of them the whole time. it doesn't get any more right in front of you, than a picture of rey sitting in the pilot's seat of the falcon with chewie as her co. this stuff is just blatantly obvious. it's the "look left" that is throwing people off the trail.

also what's really neat about this is; if you watch the series 1-6 then "i am you father" is not a reval to the audience, but a reveal to luke, yet we experience luke's emotional reaction to the news. but if you watch the series 4-6, then it is a twist for both the character and the audience.

now, here, they'll have BOTH types of twists (which should satisfy everyone); when it is revealed to rey that ben is her brother; it will be a twist for her and the audience. then, when rey reveals it to kylo, it will be the "character reveal" and the audience is in it on. so, there will be both types of twists. it's perfect

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just for my own understand of where you're coming from, my reply is based on the presuming you don't think of ben kenobi and yoda as 'monsters weaponizing children who deserve the sarlaac pit"? because if by chance you do feel that way, then i guess, you would be right in your own mind that luke is a monster for, using love against kylo to turn him back to the light. but, i myself, would disagree with your opnion of them, and would say what they did was justified, and what luke is doing is brilliant, and peaceful. all of the sorrow being caused isn't luke's fault if you're wanting to blame luke for what snoke, kylo and the fo is doing.

 

Well she IS a sky walker so she automatically has sinilarities IF she is one

 

Obi-Wan put Luke on Tatooine in the hands of an uncle and aunt to be raised in love and security, which he was. Luke didn't want for anything. he was, in fact, kind of spoiled.

i appreciate that there's this strong impulse to want to believe it's all a great big concealment plot, but i feel like the timeline doesn't really support it and it doesn't make the family much less monstrous.

your clarification still suggests that:

• Leia had another child when Ben was 10
• She and Han saw Ben start to erode and decided 5 years later to ditch the new kid on a backwater desert planet due to Ben's instability (instead of helping him, or rather, giving up on his pretty quick, it seems).
  
• And even though Ben has lost his marbles to the Dark side deep enough to warrant this drastic action, Ben doesn't really seem to do anything about it until 8 years later when he destroys Luke's school (perhaps the slowest descent in the Dark ever?)

and none of this changes the fact that Han and Leia and Luke willingly trick a 15 year-old already emotionally disturbed child into thinking his sister is dead (to "protect" her by abandoning her on a backwater planet in the hands of a slaver).

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causing this level of distress to a confused boy is heinous. abandoning a little girl with a slaver is heinous.
neither brilliant nor peaceful. just heinous.

and yes, the depiction of the Jedi in the PT is likewise disgusting to me.

 

To be fair his decent was probably slow because his pull towards the dark side wasn't as strong because he had a loving family and all until something majorly trdgic had happened for him to ditch everything and finally succumb to Snoke .

 

he lived with his aunt and uncle in a hostile desert environment with vicious "tusken raiders" and all manner of dangers. the only difference between luke and rey is, luke got to farm moisture vaporators with his uncle while rey had no familial company. however, she was being watched by, han solo, and max von sydow. so luke has ben kenobi watching over him, while rey had han, chewie, max von sydow and most probably also simon pegg.

sure, rey is in a situation just like anakin, and luke before her. but she's got a lot of people watching over her, ready to swoop in at any time should something happen; and yes, wouldn't it be great if it didn't have to be this way? but unfortunately because of SNOKE and KYLO, this has been forced on everyone. it's like you're blaming the victims.

actually there was no impulse at all. i didn't know who she was and was just content to wait and see. in my 'most likely' idea, rey was no one's child, and we would never meet her parents. that is what i came away with, from the movie directing my sight away from, both luke and han, really.

no, the only reason i even posted this was, like i said, "rey is han's kid" was a popular theory (though i didn't buy it even then) but hasn't it declined somewhat? not sure on the figures but i'll bet anything most have discarded it. because the actors, the movie, everything is INSINUATING (not directly, certain saying- but >insinuating) "not a solo" "not a solo" "look everywhere but solo"

jedi mind trick. and it works on everyone, and almost worked on me too. but then i posted "look left, look left- surprise from obvious right" and, it just popped in there, and all the dominoes went *ssshhshshshh*

it's just so blatantly obvious once you stop looking left, and back to the right where everyone involved with the picture is trying to direct the sight of the audience.

are you reading my posts? i thought i just clarified that one for you? one more time:


ben is 10ish, and an angst-filled teen. he is typical kid who resents his parents as weak and foolish. but he loves his little sister more than anything. ben is then sent to train with luke to help with his angst. time goes by. ben becomes increasingly frustrated at the state of the galaxy. ben wants to make the galaxy safe for his sister.
snoke enters and say 'listen to me, i can help you protect your loved one, and make the world safe for her'
ben turns slowly corrupted by snoke's teachings about his grandfather and how he broguht peace, until the rebellion took the peace from the galaxy and plnged it into civil war.

ben turns to kylo ren, destroys luke's work. when kylo ren hears that his little sister 'is gone' he's already well involved in the FO and snoke's training. well involved. he's kylo ren at the time he hears the "news that destroys"

after this, there was no one left for kylo to care about. ben solo was truly dead. blaming his 'weak' father for the lkoss of his sister, he has little trouble pulling the trigger on his father, whom he blames for his sisters death. once leia dies. kylo will just be, black.

until... rey says "i'm padme!" that is. then- LET THERE BE LIGHT!

when rey is 'killed' there is no ben solo, there was kylo ren. so, yes, han leia and luke willingly 'trick' Kylo ren into thinking his sister is dead. in order for his sister to save him in the end.

a 'slaver' who owed han for something, and is watching over rey (even though he treats her with 'no favoritism'); meanwhile han and chewie are always around, and max von sydow. and luke through the force. probably leia through the force. so, yeah, making the most of a bad situation caused by KYLO and SNOKE, and not, caused by the "monstrous" han/leia and luke, as you insinuate there. they're the victims here. no the monsters.

kylo ren? is that you?

well, you have certainly a, unique point of view.

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oh and don't forget, another reason luke is 'horribly tricking' kylo ren into believing his sister is dead; is not only to set kylo up to be saved by the sister he is 'trying to protect'; but effectively protects rey from kylo ever coming after his sister to 'take her with him to learn the dark side' or whatevr

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also, it very well could be snoke is the one who told kylo his sister was dead. they hid her from snoke, snoke told kylo she was dead. that may be

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that would parallel sidious telling anakin padme was dead, causing the plunge into the dark side. so, maybe snoke is the one who tells kylo she's dead. anyway, someone does because 100% this is what happens in structure if not in exact detail

 

i can't even continue to contest that Rey living in an AT-AT scavenging debris for meager scraps from Unkar Plutt isn't remotely the same as Luke growing up on a moderately successful farm with resources to spare and never in want of anything. if, as a parent, you could tolerate that existence for your child and watch from the shadows while she suffers, then you're the one with the really unique point of view ~ hahaha. Snoke?

but seriously, if i understand you correctly, Ben ignores this beloved sister to become Kylo Ren (maybe plotting later to come collect her), casting his lot with Snoke only to find out many years later that she's "died"? so basically he's lost his marbles even before he thinks she's dead. just like Anakin? this makes no sense to me, but okay, why not?

look, you've put a lot of thought into this and i can't agree with any of it, though i appreciate your patience in trying to explain it to me.

but this is just not the behavior of reasonable parents and again, means Han and Leia wrote off their son at 15, and their daughter at 5 which is unfathomable and despicable even if Ben had gone full Dark. it's also not the behavior we see them exhibit in TFA; Leia has clearly been pining for her son, and why would she send Han to try to rescue him if he was a threat to their daughter (whom Ren has unknowingly kidnapped!)

i mean, just be objective for a moment:
wouldn't their conversation be a little more along the lines of: holy crap, Ben's got Rey! Han, you have to save them.
Leia's not concerned at all about Rey. she doesn't even want to hear about her from Finn. she's focused on taking out Starkiller and saving her son.

and again, please look at the timeline.

according to your theory everyone sat around a did nothing but watch for 14 years after abandoning Rey. Even when 6 years prior to TFA Ren destroyed Luke's school, which Luke responded to by ditching everybody to go to Ach-To, a place so safe from Snoke he could have easily taken Rey with him.

and if you're really going to pin this on an unstable teenager, then it's ironic you say i'm the one blaming the victim here ~ hahaha

at the end of the day i'm all for whatever theories people want to come up with, though, sincerely.
it's all just good fun and speculation anyway.

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just to add, all speculation aside:

when Han and Leia meet for the first time on Takodana, they are having a totally private moment and Han says to her, "i saw our son. he was here."
it's clear this is very painful for both of them.

what he doesn't say: "our daughter picked up the Falcon from Jakku, so i had to intercept her and we were traveling together, but now Ben's kidnapped her, so all those intricate plans to keep her from falling into the Dark side hands with her evil brother? well, i guess the pooch is screwed."

 

certainly don't have to, like i said, i'm not really saying 'do you agree'? i wouldn't really have posted this had i considered it 'speculation'. i'm saying, this is what it will be. it's so obvious. i'll give the cast and such that they successfully mind-tricked me with everyone else; that's difficult to do, so good work to them for doing that. but, now the jig is up. this is it.

sorry if i spoiled it for anyone; i guess there's the thought "i can look because it can't be spoilers, can it?'" but, yep. spoilers. there's obviously a lot in these scenes that is going by people. when it ties all together you'll see how well this trilogy is going to end.

it's all about, misperception and rush to judgment. i will confess i rushed to judgment on luke and han on several forums calling them "scumbags" and "cowards" and now that the whole truth is understood, i realize now i was wrong. that will sum up kylo, as well.

after he kills snoke we may well get a "drop saber" WHAT HAVE I DONE?! moment

anyway. FN see you around the other threads thanks for chiming in.

 

I really doubt this would be the case. What would Kylo want to protect Rey from? There wasnt any direct danger at that time. The Empire was just destoryed, the remaining followers fled to the unknown regions, the Republic and the Jedi Order were resurrecting. It was the era of hope in the Galaxy. I rather think it was Snoke who turned Kylo and barinwashed him to his Vader mania. I think he was conflicted from the very beginning.

I really doubt Leia would allow anyone to take her daughter away from her, and besides, she would've been the safest around her with the Resistance.
And all this as Luke's big plan? I really dont think so. SK base killed billions of people, noone would allow the slightest danger of that in any sort of plan, especially not Luke. And leaving Rey on a dumpster planet alone with slavers? I dont think so...

I also think Rey isnt just Luke's daughter, that would be way too obvious. I think she is the daughter of Luke AND Obi-wan's daughter. That would make her both a Skywalker and a Kenobi. Because as Colin Treworrow said her lineage reveal will be satisfiying, and I think this would be most satisfying outcome. She is a Skywalker, because as Kathleen Kennedy said Star Wars is about the Skywalker lineage, but she is also a Kenobi to have some suprise element aswell.

 

at some point its going to be the case. how the writers want to fill in the missing political landscape of the missing years between endor and TFA, but clearly there has been turmoil. the resistance obviously formed because of a threat to the republic, which the republic was turning a blind eye to. so there's at least one clear and present danger. but whatever it is, ben solo just wants to protect his padme, just like anakin just wanted to protect his padme. it was all about protecting their loved one, only to become the thing that threatened them because the antagonist has "twisted your mind"

no doubt, it's clear now that when han said "too much vader in him" he was refering to this trait of "good guy gone wrong because of bad guy using good guy's love against him"

Leia had zero choice. either follow luke's plan, or snoke crushes the resistance, enslaves the galaxy, turns rey to the dark side, and it's game over for everyone. because if you're thinking there's another way, there's not. this is the same reason the hid luke and leia, it's the same pattern, replaying itself now from father-son, to brother-sister. that's why i'm saying it's so obvious. it's all laughably obvious. it's a testament to the craft of misdirection, that's for sure.

the resistance would be the worst place for her. they're ALWAYS going to be the target, and rey could be captured at any time. then, "uh, hey, here's your sister, padme i guess they never even bothered to hide her" "welcome to the dark side, padme". it was jakku or nothing. rey CANNOT know who she is, NO ONE can. the minute rey knows who she is, the galaxy just went into red alert. now snoke and kylo can know who she is. but for now, they are unaware of her existence. padme is dead to kylo ren. if she was ever on his radar, she is off of it now, and it has to stay that way until she is able to face her brother and save him, with calm and compassion.

you mean how like how obi-wan didn't keep the death star from blowing up alderaan. but instead, hid luke away from vader until the time was right? exactly like that? that plan? no, it is crucial to the fate of the galaxy that both luke and rey survive, and in isolation far away from civilization; and distant from one another. if luke dies, the galaxy is enslaved. if rey dies. the galaxy is enslaved.

being watched over by han and chewie, simon pegg, max von sydow; just as luke. but only ben in luke's case. rey has a team wathing her to make sure she is safe. but if they let her know who she is, red alert.

yeah but see, you're now actually making yourself "look left" so, yeah, can't see the obvious in front of you.



who's rey's father?



it's like, a mystery, right?

i actuall feel just a tiny bit bad, but i did part 'spoilers' in the title so everyone willingly clicked and i can't ever be held responsible for that so.

 

oh man check this out i just realized, this makes it so that; you know how people always ask "why didn't they change luke's name? why still 'skywalker' does that make sense? well, in this time around they DID change her name. that's hilarious in retrospect. i would absolutely not be surprised to hear luke say that at some point "at least they changed your name"

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also, is it necessary luke alter her memory? it may be she was young enough to just naturally forgot with time. i can't remember anything in the movie that suggests someone actually altered her memories. was there?

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i just realized something else, too. people ask 'why didn't they change luke's name from skywalker' and they changed rey's name completly; but also, another question was 'why did they put him with family for crying out loud that is the FIRST place vader would look' and so here, she's not with family. also 'why put him on his home planet that makes no sense' so here, rey/padme solo, is not on her home planet. but it's still just like tatooine except for the one sun.

so, critcized for not changing luke's name, putting luke with family, putting luke on home planet; so here they change 'padme solo' dropping the solo and even changing her first name, don't put her with family, and don't put her on her home world (but it still looks like tatooine anyway).

that's brilliant. isn't that just hilarious in retrospect?

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okay one more, this is funny. given this, now the next time you watch TFA, and get to the scene on Jakku where Rey i outside the AT-AT and puts the helmet on and is sitting there. Imagine in her mind she's saying "bloody nitpickers- if it weren't for them I'd be sitting at home with my family and name right now."

 

I love the theory, and it makes perfect sense and would truly be refreshing and rewarding if it was the twist. I happen to believe JJ, because its not all about him this time around, it's Rian's go at it and I believe he left alot of stuff open for Rian to come in and inject his ideas into the project. There's really no reasoning with fans when they're firm on their stance and predictions for the trilogy, so I'm not trying to change any minds. People will still believe Snoke is Plagueis and Rey is Lukes or Han's daughter regardless. We had all types of wild speculation leading up to The Force Awakens even when the entire plot was leaked nearly a year in advanced. Like I said, I just believe JJ when he said that Leia never met Rey. He could have stayed shut and everyone would pick that scene apart, there would be no need to throw fuel the fire with the comments he made. It was more about the reasoning for Chewie not hugging Leia thing. That's just my thoughts on it

 

i know i said one more, but i want to write this down or i'll forget it.

so, the complaint was 'why would they put luke with his family, that's dumb that's the first place vader would look if he found out' right? and now, they've heeded the nitpicking and put rey apart from her family (though again, han is pretending to be skirting around as a smuggler in the outer rim so he can keep an eye on rey, plus, simon pegg is watching and caring for her, despite what the audience at first thinks; plus max von sydow is there, and luke is watching through the force.) but she's "not with her family" so we've covered that nitpick, right?

but wait, now i'm recalling people complaining that "if she's their family, why would han/leia possibley not have rey with them that's dumb" which is the exact opposite of the first nitpick. i'm thinking these movies may be setting up all of the fanboys to be made to look like hypocrites who can't be satisfied, and will nitpick no matter what you do, even switching completely to the opposite nitpick when the nitpick is listened to. max von sydow said 'this will begin to make things right'; the meta-movie aspect of this, is really interesting. think about it.

if what i'm saying about rey turns out true (and it will), then what i'm saying will also be true. surely it's at least clear to some of you that the reason rey doesn't have her last name or first name, doesn't reside with family, and doesn't reside on her homeworld is because those things are commonly nitpicked things about luke's being hidden. which, you know, no one ever complained really about ben hiding luke- just that he did it by hiding luke with family (dumb) on his home planet (dumer) with his real name (dumbest); but now people are complaining about the protag being hidden at all. let alone without family(smart?) not on home planet(smart?) not with name(smart?). now the victims are monsters for doing what no body complained about during the OT.

it really looks to me they're setting up the fanbase, or at least the ones who nitpicked the movies to death. i can't help but clearly see that.

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oh i hear you man. i believed him when he said the villain wasn't khan in star trek into darkness. turns out he was just lying to cover the twist everyone was starting to suspect.

yeah, i thought he was actually apologizing for that, too. until i looked to the right, and saw rey was ben's younger sister 99.9% likely to be named padme. so which is more likely:

abrams wrote and filmed a scene right after han died, where chewie quietly walked past leia so she could embrace the stranger she just met. oops. abrams later apologizes for his "mistake".

OR

abrams knows that leia knows, and chewie knows and all "the gang" knows, that rey is leia's daughter padme solo, leia's little girl right in front of her that she wants so much to be a mother to; chewie knows this and quietly walks by allowing leia time with her daughter who just came home but still can't let know who she is; and so goes as far as she can just embracing her. so abrams directs the scene.

then the fandom comes out to nitpick, 'hey that's a mistake! chewie shouldn't walk by like that! leia just going up to some stranger besides chewie that's dumb and wrong and a mistake' jj knows that the fans don't know who rey is yet, and that the fans are just baselessly nitpicking without knowing who rey is or anything. why leia is acting the way she is. the reveal hasn't come yet. so jj says "yeah, sure, i 'apologize for my 'mistake'- sorry about that star wars fandom; totally my bad". because jj knows that inevitabley, it will be revealed that rey is padme solo. when that happens, suddenly that scene wasn't a mistake any more was it? suddenly, leia acting appropriately, chewie appropriately. it's natural. but then, all of the people who said 'it's a mistake, it's dumb' and to which jj graciously apologized? suddenly they would look like impossible to please fans who just cry 'mistake!' at a drop of the hat when they have almost no information to cry 'mistake' in the first place. so, jj abrams apologized because of the old proverb "he who laughs last laughs best"

or yeah, he accidentally wrote/directed a pivotal scene 'mistakenly' and then publically apologized for his 'mistake' after intelligent fans called him out on his dumb blunder. guess we'll find out.

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also, so i'm not taken as judging people, like i said, i myself was ranting about han "the scumbag regressor" and "luke the coward" i used a few worse names. and now i see that i was wrong to do that. misjudged the situation because of lack of information. but, now i'm not doing that anymore, so. i get it. not scumbag regressor, not coward; still heroes, my bad. jumped the gun. so i'm clean on that now.

 

The /film guy threw that Leia hugging Rey scene in Abrams face over the phone. He had to come up with a reason real quick (they're strong in the force!) to avoid spoiling what the real intent was behind it and he still sort of messed up when he called it their reunion a couple of times. (/film / Mar 2016) "I know quite a bit [about Rey's parents]. Obviously it’s not for me to talk about in this moment because this is Rian’s story to continue now. The last thing I’m going to do is reveal something that he would be upset about. I want to make sure that Rian gets the courtesy that he showed me." (THR / Jan 2016)

Same reason George Lucas himself has brought up that his story that Michael Arndt wrote was the story of the grandchildren of Vader. Yet, nobody involved in the production (Arndt and Pablo Hidalgo included) talks about this facet of the character. Kira/Rey as Anakin's granddaughter came from George Lucas. It's the elephant in the room they don't want to talk about. (VF / Oct 2015)

Pablo Hidalgo, Lucasfilm Story Group:

• "[Episode VII] started off with [George Lucas's] treatments, which resembled nothing of the EU." (February 28, 2016) "The art of book has a bit [of his story treatments]. Making of book would have more. What you'd expect: no Jaina, Jacen, Mara etc. Chewie alive." (February 28, 2016)
• "There's a making of book in the works I'd rather not scoop. But the core idea - a young girl's journey to become a Jedi - is [from George Lucas]." (March 12, 2016)
• "fwiw George was at least willing to read summaries of [Jaina and Jacen Solo]." (March 17, 2016)
• "2012. And to think a movie trilogy with a female lead was just starting work." (March 17, 2016)

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I find that interesting how they're still going to show us some of his ideas at least which us fans would greatly appreciate...also didn't GL state in the past how the EU has never been canon so they're just restating it now ?

 

She still wouldn't allow it. She is a mother and Rey is her only remaining child if this theory is true (which I really doubt though). Luke was kinda responsible for Ben's fate from a certain point of view. I rather think at that time Leia needed time to forgive Luke, but im 100% sure she wouldn't allow Luke to take Rey away from her after what happened to Ben. And besides being watched over Unkar Plutt, Lor Tekka is not very safe to be honest, as Unkar Plutt wanted to steal BB-8 and maybe even hurt (or kill) Rey to get it from her. And when the First Order came and started shooting at them noone come to help. They could've easely died there. So much for that ,,protection".

But most important, you are forgetting that the situation after ROTJ was very different from the Empire era. We dont know when Snkoe came into the picture, and how much of a threat he is, but for sure he wasnt direct danger to the Resistance and the Republic at that time. How would he enslave anyone? They were just crushed, fled to the unknown regions, the SK base needed around 10-15 more years to finish. If he'd confilcted the Resistance at that time he would've been easely defeated.

As for Rey turning to the dark side. I belive a girl left alone on a dumpster has a lot higher chance to get seduced to the dark side, than one which was around her loving mom. She is in danger regardless, but at least she gets some love in one of the possible choices.

The Galaxy was already enslaved in Obi-wan's time. The Galaxy was just saved in Luke's time. You are keep forgetting this.

I've watched TFA 3 times, and I really-really doubt that Han knew Rey. If he did, he was the best actor in the whole Galaxy. Not even once during the whole movie did he acted like he's even seen her before, when he opened the cargo-panel and saw her the first time he looked at her like a coplete stranger. And besides Han was searching for the Falcon, as he said. Was that also a lie? Is everything Han said and did in TFA was a lie then? Certainly not.

Han leaving the Falcon for Rey to have it? Thats also very-very unlikely. Rey said Unkar Plutt stole it from the Irwing Boys who stole it from Ducain who stole it from Han (that last was told by Han). So Han made the deal with al those mentioned to get the Falcon to Jakku? Why not just give it to Unkar?

Han told Rey and Finn that they will be thrown out in the next system. So whats up with that? Why not take her back to where she gets the ,,protection" from those guys you mentioned. Han didnt seem to care about Rey in the beginning.
And Han was around the planet because of other reasons. Its not like he was ready to take her away, he had to deal with some other business first.
And Rey didnt leave the planet because the ,,time has come" or any similar chliséd crap. Maybe the force guided her to get to Anakin's lightsaber, but mostly it was because the FO wanted BB-8. Its not like Rey has seen a vision of Luke on Jakku or anything like that. And how would Han know when its the ,,time"? Anytime when Rey tries to leave the planet?

And Han offered a job to Rey on the Falcon later, remember? If he indeed wanted to watch over her he would've done that in the first place.
Its not like beeing on Jakku, a dumpster planet with slavers, and more sorts of scum and villainy. It was really dangerous to live on Jakku.

And when Rey was abducted noone seemed to care about it besides Finn, remeber? They originally just wanted to blow up SK base and leave. It was Finn who revealed he came only for Rey. Also, during the preparing scene noone mentioned Rey, not Leia, not Han, not anyone.

And most important, all this would be very out of Han's character. If he's indeed Rey's father and he knows that, he would never allow all this to happen to his only daughter regardless of what Luke said. He would never preted like not knowing his own daughter.

Its not obvious. It contradicts with everything in TFA. If it truns out to be as the real case than it was terribly done.
Why would everyone act like they dont know Rey? Why dont they tell her anything? How is ignoring a poor half-orphan girl be any good for her or anyone?
And its not like with Obi-wan and Luke. Obi-wan told a lot of very important things to Luke, and the reason why he hid some imformation was mostly for plot reasons, as Lucas only made Luke Vader's son and Leia's brother after ANH. But this time its a compelling and planned story from the very beginning as the writers directly plan for at least 3 episodes, while Lucas originally could only plan for one.

If Rey indeed turns out to be a Solo than Im 100% that not this way. Han and Leia dont know who she is thats for sure.

But I dont really see the story reason for Rey beeing a Solo. Dont forget we are talking about about a story here and not about the deceivement of the audience. Star Wars is not a soap opera where everyone is related to everyone, and they deliberately deceive the audience in the way you are talking about. Like ,,Eduardo is not my uncle, he is my father" or any crap like that.

Kylo Ren is already a Solo, so why the need for one more and no Skywalker? Just for Kylo to be her brother? They can be cousins aswell...
Kathleen Kennedy said Star Wars is about the Skywalker legacy, and even Lucas mostly talked about Luke's grandchildren when mentioning the sequel trilogy. I really dont think the Skywalker lineage would just die out so easely in the ST, but we shall see.

 

not only would she, but she obviously did. one of the themes of star wars is "love vs. duty"- leia is someone who always has the thought of the entire galaxy's welfare in her mind. she will easily sacrifice the things she loves, to perform her duty. this is who leia is, and if you don't know that then you don't know leia.

on top of this, as i've already said Leia has no choice. the fate of the galaxy is now on rey and luke. both are crucial to the survival of the galaxy. if the jedi go, the galaxy goes, everything leia ever fought to protect goes, it all goes. the only thing to do when all of this goes down, is to hide ben's sister where she can't be found. and even better, make ben think she's died in some terrorist act so she disappears off the dark side's radar completely.

luke may feel responsible in the same way kenobi did "i have failed you anakin, i have failed you"; but i don't think luke ran away to hide because of that. luke went to hide because he had no other choice. if the galaxy were to survive, then rey has to live long enough to grow up and have luke train her, have her face kylo to bring him back, and hope she's strong enough and wise enough at the time to not be turned by snoke while trying to turn kylo. luke also has to live long enough to train rey to do this and succeed.

and not only is this the way it has to be, and anyone who wants a future for the galaxy and their family, has to follow this plan. if leia says "i won't allow it" then leia says "i won't allow peace for the galaxy""i won't allow my son to come back""i won't allow the return of the new jedi"

but that's what you're having leia to say here. and you know why? not because what i wrote isn't going to happen (because, it is), it's not because what i wrote makes ben's turn back to the light wholly satisfying and believable(it does); it's because , you want it to be something else (something far inferior to what the writers are doing).

because i'd like to take credit for all of this. but that would be wrong. i didn't write this stuff. i didn't write rey to be han's kid, and then take away her name, take away her family, and take away her homeland to satisfy nitpickers demands. this brilliance belongs to the writers of the movie. i can't even take real credit for looking right; i was looking left with everyone else until happenstance put me in that other thread to go "slieght of hand is how you do it"- it was a complete accident. i was looking left, and then coincidence caused a little glimmer to the right, and i looked right and went "oh! guys guys it's over there! look right, look right!" and when you look right you'll see padme solo standing there with ben solo both smiling and holding their finger to their lips "shhhhh"

no, leia and han, no one ever blamed luke at all. that's a guarentee.

luke was like "i've failed you, i'm so sorry i've failed you" leia (young padme standing beside leia looking up) was like "luke don't; you know it's no one fault" "ben was too old, i should've known" "you couldn't have known, luke stop" han was like "it's not your fault, buddy; you did what you could, kid just had too much vade..." he trails off" luke sits with his eyes down in silence. silence is broken as padme leaps in luke's arms. kisses him and says "love you". leia smiles. "too much vader" luke whispers as he looks at padme, his understanding coming to him.

yeah and Luke could've died on Tatooine at any time. and qui-gon just found the chosen one and watches him fly a pod race "VERY dangerous". so, you got problems with those ones too? or just this time they do it? maybe we just go "oh, guess it's the will of the Force" and move on...

but, again, can't failt to notice that the complaints and nitpicks are all of things that already happened and no one had a problem when they happened the other times? it's like, the fanboys are hypocritical nitpickers who just want to tear down anything that is not what they wanted it to be, don't really care about the movies at all like they claim to, and just want to try to ruin everything for people who aren't nitpickers, and the writers of the movies, like lucas. because that's what you're doing and the movies, I can't help again but to see that it really looks like this is what they're doing. setting up the fanboys to look like the world's worst group of mindless hypocrites who 'think they're right' but are actually just, kylo ren.

i would not be at all surprised when the last movie ends, that everyone stands up to applaude, and out from behind the curtain comes george lucas. "oh hey, guess you didn't expect me, huh? well, glad you liked my movies- oh hey did you not know i wrote these? well, glad you liked them. let's talk now about how they're exactly like the prequels that everyone claimed to hate so much... this should be fun!" i mean, if that happens i'm going to squeal like a schoolgirl.

i have no idea what the political landscape was during the prior 30 years.

right and you keep forgetting there's 3 decades between "just saved" and TFA. and i don't know how it works in the star wars universe, but here in reality, killing an emporer, and destroying a bunch of his fleet, doesn't magically transform everything into utopia- theres a power collapse, and a chaotic power struggle.

oh is that what rey said unkarr said? wow double hearsay. why would you possibley use double hearsay as some kind of "evidence" of something? yes, i'll agree, that is what rey said she was told.

that's han solo acting like he doesn't know who rey is, and showing openly that he'll "throw this girl out" without a thought, because, he's 'not her father' you see? no one can suspect this. now to boot you've got finn standing there with your daughter. who is finn? is he an FO agent? is he working for one of the gangs? does he know who rey is? why's he with rey? everything han does, is to protect rey. if you're asking "why does han..." "why doesn't leia..." "why does..." here is the answer: to protect rey.

i don't know dude. why didn't tarkin not fire on alderaan? how come luke didn't just attack jabba with his saber? i don't know man; why didn't the jedi not fight in the clone wars? i just, i don't care man. all of your questions are just, meaningless. why didn't anakin resist the dark side? why didn't obi-wan leave anakin's lightsaber? why did obi-wan wait until leia sent a plea to help?

right no one would suspect the little girl growing up with han solo was his daughter padme.

right, just like it was dangerous to live on tatooine. where they hid luke from vader. so, is episode 4 stupid now? might as well follow your own logic to it's inevitable conclusion which is telling me, you hate star wars. you're sitting here tearing apart the first 6 movies. you're talking about all the plot points of the former 'beloved' movies, and calling them stupid this time around. is it not blatant hypocrisy? is not this exposing your blatant hypocrisy? like i said, the more i see some of you trying to "nitpick" this to death, the more i come to see that the writers of these movies are setting up the fans like you for; put it this way, the fans like you ARE kylo ren. and these movies look like the writers are going to completely expose how hypocritical these fans really are.

in the end, kylo ren goes "oh my word- i've been such a phoney mindlessly hacking jerkwad!"

never. not even if the fate of everything he cared about hanged on his actions.

oh i know man, it's just terrible writing if it's anything other than rey skywalker/kenobi cyborg darkside with lasers in her eyes. i get you. because star wars is terrible movies, right? because everything you're nitpicking here to death, has already been done and was beloved. it's like, there's no pleasing some fans, huh? like, they'll hack and slash mindlessly at, whatever is in front of them.

crimeny. okay yeah, i hear you. no reason for her to be his little sister he loved and was trying to protect, and thought was dead. that wouldn't justify his return to the light when she's revealed to still be alive. i hear you, why do that. so much cooler if rey goes "i'm skywalker-kenobi hybrid; i'm your cousin!" so so much satisfying brother. "i'm your cousin" so so awesome. well, let's hope the writers scrap that awful version and go with kenobi-hybrid "i'm your cousin"... wait, does kylo KNOW rey is his cousin?

 

I think it works better if everyone thinks that the daughter/sister died a long time ago and that Rey wasn't her original name. That way it makes for a reason why Ben was turned to the dark side by Snoke, and why Leia had sent Ben away, and parallels why Anakin fell in the PT (mom died, foresaw the death of Padme). It also makes more sense for why Han and Kylo Ren give Rey some weird looks in the movie like there's a familiarity they cannot immediately explain or reconcile. Han offers her a job, Kylo Ren offers her a job, Leia gives her her mission of going after Luke, etc.