Rey is more powerful than the Chosen One, his offspring, any dark side user, everyone

I mean, apparently lifting a rock is now one of the most impressive things a Jedi can do according to some, so I guess it only stands to reason that lifting a broom is even better. After all, the latter is practical at least.

 

It sure was! Have you played M4-78?

There's also a new Genohardan mod in development, FYI.

It fixes many bugs, glitches, and adds much content that was cut from the game because it was rushed out for Christmas release by Lucasarts.

 

So the game wasn't done after I killed the witch and the Ebon Hawk flies of to......somewhere? Wow I've missed some stuff over the past years. This sounds much better than the instragram filtered slideshow I got for the Mass Effect 3 expanded ending dlc.

 

Your second character has the ability to level up. You should take care of that.

 

broom a powerful ally it is, look this guy, he must be the new messiah of the force ( thanks to the kylo ren the last jedi review xD)

 

You're not wrong!

 

Well no, there's not much more than that, but you get more closer with your party members than you did before.

 

It's both frustrating and scary. I too think there's a deliberate avoidance around Rey in regards to her powers and training. The scary thing to me is the majority who like the non-explanation and that we might never get one and be forced to accept "just because" as our answer to that. If that's the case, this trilogy will plummet for me in where it stands among the OT and PT. I will lose a lot of faith in Disney's ability to move the Saga forward, and my interest, and therefor my wallet will follow suit.

Disney has to realize that fans of SW has evolved as Sci-Fi fans from the 70s or even the 90s. Most of us take in most of the stuff that is offered to us by other sci-fi. We can no longer be fooled into believing a parsec is a measure of time... it would not take months or years for us to figure out something like that anymore. It would take minutes, hours at best. We've had books that offered more exposition on the science aspect (EU) even if they are no longer canon. It was a necessary progression to keep up with sci-fi fans. In no way does it detract from the metaphysical of SW, the metaphysical and science should be in a relationship to convey and baffle the audience with a look how they work together.

There's a balance somewhere and Disney has to figure out where it is. Disney has to figure out if it wants to be a fairy tale in space and focus almost entirely on the creative stories it can make, or does it want to truly combine the metaphysical with science and tread a line between sci-fi with religious/spiritual elements? I guess we'll see where they go, and if they err, and Disney feels a cash backlash, they can do what every studio does... fire people and assure fans they'll get something better under new management.

 

Star Wars is not science fiction. It’s a fairy tale in space. A space fantasy. If you need explanation of eveything and want the science behind it then you aren’t a SW fan. These movies are not written for you and never were. These are movies with themes for 12 year olds. There is no need to find a balance. Trying to please everyone never works.

 

I don't know who these movies are for, but they aren't for 12 year olds either. I watched Neil Degrasse Tyson question an 8 year old girl on why she would want to live on Jupiter. When he was done with her she was quiet as a church mouse. Some people don't believe the idea that children should be catered to, and I agree. If you can't explain it then it's no good.

 

Star Wars can be enjoyed by kids but it was never meant to be exclusively for kids, the story of the saga (1-6) has a lot of depth and complex themes, it's actually much deeper than most movies.
I wonder how kids will react in time to some of the scenes in TLJ, some could be a great parenting tool, "behave child, if you are not a good boy uncle Luke will kill you in your sleep..."

 

Man, they so missed a chance to make Rey a really cool character.

 

The Force Awakens was accessible for everyone, The Last Jedi is very deliberately aimed at 8 year olds.

The way Poe was barely punished for getting soldiers killed, the way every character has an "adult" over their shoulder telling them where they're right and wrong.. it feels like a children's TV show.

The Last Jedi took things back to Phantom Menace levels of kid pandering.. The Force Awakens and Rogue One were just a smoke screen to distract us from Disney's agenda.

 

And is that not the unnecessary burden on the creators that you spoke of in another thread?


George Lucas on Star Wars in the ANH novelization preamble:

"As a kid, I read a lot of science fiction. But instead of reading technical, hard-science writers like Isaac Asimov, I was interested in Harry Harrison and a fantastic, surreal approach to the genre. I grew up on it. Star Wars is a sort of compilation of this stuff, but it's never been put in one story before, never put down on film. There is a lot taken from Westerns, mythology, and samurai movies. It's all the things that are great put together. It's not like one kind of ice cream but rather a very big sundae."

And from the annotated screenplay of ANH"

"I knew from the beginning that I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale. I really thought I needed to establish from the start that this was a completely made up world so that I could do anything I wanted."
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Even Lucas failed at that with midichlorians, which confused the audience towards approaching it in a science fiction way. It was balanced out a bit by the space jesus and mythical doomed romance, but SW just isn't science fiction. It's a mythological space fantasy.

So it's either Disney asks you to ignore a certain 'science fiction' approach to the SW galaxy....and it has does...in very unapologetic ways through Rebels, through the canonization of Clone Wars, which is very fantasy based with Mortis stuff, witches, secret cults manipulated by witches, lol

or......there's an undue burden of science fiction analysis on the works that was never really intended.

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He was teaching science. Not space fantasy. Nor was he writing a movie with mythological symbols.

 

So you think that they're going to make a movie for the hardcore fans who constitute a relatively tiny percentage of moviegoers? If so, then I think that they already attempted to please us fans with Rogue One.

The ST movies are made with a difficult objective in mind; namely that it should appeal to both kids from the 'Marvel' generation, and their crusty parents who probably watched the originals. I don't think it's too much of a coincidence that the largest majority of people who had a problem with TLJ fall into the 20-30 year old bracket. Whether you enjoy this attempt to appeal to multiple generations is a personal matter. The only 'agenda' that I can see is one where the film makers are interested in making stacks of cash. It's a tough pill to swallow, but for every disillusioned fan that quits Star Wars, there'll be a bright eyed youngster asking their parents for the latest Kylo Ren action figure. I tell you, it's tough getting old man...

 

The Last Jedi went out of it's way to alienate old fans.. if anyone can't see that then they need to watch it again.

Firstly, the sheer disrespect Rey showed to Luke at times.. making fun of the force "Oh yeah I feel it! I really feel it!" and then attacking Luke and not listening to his side on the Ben backstory. She went against his instructions completely, stole the books etc.. what right did she have?

Then they show Luke drinking milk like a degenerate. This was done to undo the fans' perceptions of him being a respectable knight of old.. they had to show him doing something which made him seem like he'd reverted to a baby. They show him being unstable with his near decision to kill Ben, and show him to be a total failure who gives up on the rebels and his friends for no reason.

Then they kill off Ackbar offscreen, no weight to his death at all. Brushed aside like a piece of trash, because only old "redundant" fans buy Ackbar figures.

Even the tree was set on fire and Yoda goes: "Meh who cares about old books." almost like a subliminal hit against the EU books which were decanonized by Disney.

It rips off a multitude of things from Empire and Jedi.. just sucks out the "best" elements and throws the corpse aside.

This film (and The Force Awakens to an extent) were designed to make the original trilogy and it's characters look like lame failures.. because they couldn't come up with good characters themselves. They had to knock Luke, Han and Leia down a few pegs to make Rey, Poe and Finn look better.. and make the Disney trilogy look like the main trilogy.

 

I can absolutely see your point of view, and I can understand how the movie could come across as offensive to fans.

The portrayal of Luke was always going to cause a major divide in the fandom. I agree that they went out of their way to make him seem far removed from the last time we saw him in ROTJ, however I think this was probably done to add greater weight to his final act rather than to p*** on the bonfires of all the old fans.

At the end of the day these films are being made to make lots and lots of money. What do they actually gain by alienating hardcore fans? Any decisions made will have been considered carefully, and most of them can be justified with a less cynical eye. I do not agree with all the decisions made in the film, however likening it to a deliberate vicious cull on the existing fandom is probably a bit much. It is unfortunate that the OT characters have to portrayed this way, and yes it could have been kinder, however due to the power of nostalgia they would have been the core focus of this ST if they hadn't been shown to be pretty fallible in the end.

 

Let alone the fact that this is almost 35 years later.