SPECULATION Rey's Not Getting Trained at the Beginning of VIII

Ah great.
I don't think 'another' would be Rey as she wasnt born yet and I doubt the prophecy extended that far.
But it is kinda cool that Vader brought balance to the force, just to be undone again by Luke because he was to eager in ROTJ.

 

I think we see Rey trained...she constructs her own lightsaber (double bladed) and in the middle of her truncated training, it is interrupted by the news or vision that Finn has been abducted by Phasma and the First Order. She leaves her training early, due to a vision of the capture of Finn by Phasma and the First Order. The trap is laid. She springs the trap, and is caught by Kylo Ren, now a fully trained Sith Lord. The movie ends with Finn in the custody of the First Order and Rey in the hands of Snoke/Darth Plagueis.

 

Because he doesn't have a choice, she already is powerful in the Force, not training her would be the same as deliver her to Snoke in a silver plate

 

a little bit of topic here but i do believe that Kylo Ren wont appear at once in VIII he will probably appear at the second act as a fully fledged Sith Lord, giving Phasma and Hux a little bit of space to develop and at the same time making his appearance that much more menancing.

Rey wont be trained at once im sure about it!

 

Just a couple errors of continuity that I've seen by some people in this thread.

For starters. People need to know that Pablo Hidalgo, Lucasfilm extraordinaire, has confirmed on Twitter that Rey was sent to Jakku BEFORE the attack on the Jedi Academy. Rey was also left on Jakku at the age of 5. Thus, she was not trained at the Jedi Academy at all. She would have just started to train if that were the case. She would not have learned the things that she did in the Force Awakens. Those were natural gifts Rey possesses, not acquired skills.

Also, many of you seem to believe that Luke just got up and abandoned his friends because he couldn't bare the pain from the death of his students and betrayal of his pupil. HOWEVER, this is from "a certain point of view". We really don't have enough information to establish this as FACT because Luke has not spoken on the indecent. Episode VIII could give us a totally different perspective on the events that took place.

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As far as the OP goes, I think that Rey has earned her right to train with Luke. My reasoning is the story of TFA. It is a Hero's quest to train with the Great Elder that possesses knowledge and skill's beyond the Hero's wildest dreams. It is a typical story scenario. By finding the map and possessing the lightsaber (possessing tangible items), Rey has gained passage to meet Luke and earned a spot to train with Luke. But more importantly, she found what is important about herself in her quest for these items that is much more important. These are the types of traits a Wise Elder character looks for in someone to train.

 

Luke reluctantly trains Rey because if he doesn't, he knows that at some point, Snoke will.

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Luke reluctantly trains Rey because if he doesn't, he knows that at some point, Snoke will.

 

I don't have the answer. I'm just stating that until we here it from Luke, it's just Han and Leia's own speculation. We really don't know all of the details. I think we will soon though.
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Actually, it's about both.

I think that he will be hesitant to train Rey. I don't think it will happen IMMEDIATELY. Yoda was hesitant. However, it would be a major dissatisfaction to the audience if the entire first movie was spent finding Luke only for Luke to have to spend an entire 2nd movie to decide on training Rey.

Also with the fate of the galaxy on the shoulders of Rey, I feel confident she will be trained rather soon into the movie if not at the beginning.

Agreed

We’ve already seen arrogance in Rey. We also do not know what Snoke is capable of. Also, clearly Luke is not all powerful if he could not foresee the attack on the academy. There are at least a few different factors at play here. Overall, I’m saying we really don’t have much information for or against this at the moment.

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Also what he said.

 

I think that Luke might be reluctant to train her at first (after what happened with Kylo). This may end up leading to another FG Obi Wan appearance, since he has "experience" in this regard. But I don't think that it will take the whole film for him to agree to train her. Maybe a third, but no more. I also think that we'll get more info on the first Jedi Temple and their early history.

 

Generally, a few years pass inbetween Episodes...so I'm thinking if Luke trains her, we won't see it on screen. We'll pick up 3 years after TFA and Luke and Rey will spring into action together. No training sequence, no montage. Just something like, "good job learning stuff. now lets go".

 

So what do you think is going to happen? Luke just says, "no thanks. You keep it. And please leave." ? Or she has convinced Luke to come back to the Resistence, but he still won't train anyone? Or maybe Rey just spends a couple years helping Luke find whatever hes looking for? What do you think happens after Rey holds that saber up to Luke? (genuine question, no sarcasm intended)

 

This is where we are at disagreement. It isn't rushing the story. It is slowing it down too much. Also don't act like the majority of people entering the theater have no idea who Luke is. If they don't know, it's not hard to figure out. The whole point of the first movie was made clear to most people that the movie was about finding Luke. He was found and they can assume he will help Rey. Whether that means train or not is one thing. But we all know Luke has to help.

Also if you think the pivotal conflict of the story is Luke's return to the fight, you are COMPLETELY mistaken. These movies are clearly about the new characters first - not about the old ones. Luke will not be the center of attention no matter how much you want him there. There is a difference between what you want to happen and what will happen and you have crossed that line.

Rey is our main protagonist. When it is established she is force-sensitive, it is clear that all hope lies on her shoulders. Why have her find Luke then if it didn't mean anything? The entire resistance knows where Luke is. No reason for only Rey to go unless she is important.

The fate of the galaxy does rest with Luke. But that knowledge will be passed on to Rey.

You're doing the exact same thing dude!

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I can agree with some of this. But I don't think it will take as long as you make it seem. I think it will happen rather quickly. There's only so much time the movie can spend on this.

 

I'm probably going to have to watch the movie again (which wouldn't be a bad thing) but I don't think Han Solo knew for sure why Luke left; it seemed to me like he was offering informed speculation.

Until I am told otherwise, I'm going to believe in an optimistic interpretation - Luke wasn't simply running away; he was looking for the first Jedi Temple to find information and or guidance (a holocron, a force ghost, something else?) that would help him to correct the mistakes that he made that resulted in his Jedi Academy being wiped out. That also can fit in with him also waiting for someone worthy of taking up the mantle with him and ultimately for him, which Rey could be.

Again, there are so many questions left unanswered by the movie.