SPECULATION Rey's return

Each of the ST films got progressively worse, and lost half their audience in the process... I see this film (If it even gets made) going down like a lead balloon.

There is no appetite for these characters.

Rey herself had sooo much potential, but they squandered it. I don't think you can just reset.

 

If you don't like it fine, but the idea that "half the audience was lost" or there is "no appetite for these characters" is just nonsense.

 

Exactly Right. According to Boxofficemojo, ST Film #1 (TFA) made $936,662,225 while ST Film #3 (TROS) wrapped up the trilogy with over half as much ($515,202,542.)

 

I saw TFA four times in theaters and watched TROS once. Does that count as losing half the audience? It's also illogical to cite numbers from the first Star Wars film in 10 with a Cinemascore of A to a film 4 years later with a Cinemascore of B+. It's almost as if a film people didn't like didn't make as much money as a film people loved. As I've mentioned before, the trend data before TROS was higher than before TLJ. Audiences were very excited about TROS before it arrived. Bad reviews and audience scores matter. That's not a character problem, that's a story problem. People were excited about the movie because they like Rey/Finn. You can keep pretending otherwise if you want. They're making this film first because it's the one people want to see. Hopefully they can come up with a compelling story this time.

 

You don't really believe that...do you??

 

You hit 'the secret sauce' of the whole deal, DailyPlunge!

SW fans tend to be loyal to a fault. If you treat them with respect by giving them a compelling story, they'll flock to the theatres.

 

Do you really believe that Disney and their army of number crunchers are making the first Star Wars film in six years and it's one the audience doesn't want to see? You don't really believe that, do you?

If I watch a film or read a story I don't like I don't feel dispreptect by the artist. I just don't like. It's not really a question of respect.

 

Yes, I really do.

Firstly, let's see if this film even gets made... Disney have priors for not releasing many projects that were announced.

Secondly, you are talking about a company that is very out of touch and extremely arrogant. They should stick to great entertainment and stay out of politics. I believe they are being blinded by the success of TFA. It would be easy to ponder the simple question of "How do we get back to that?" The deeper you dive with the success of that film, you will probably conclude that is was a number of factors...

- First SW film in years
- The possibilities re Luke, Han and Leia.
- Going back to basics re the aesthetic (The overloaded CGI put a lot of people off the PT)
- The film itself was pretty good
- The mystery box. Unfortunately it actually did work here, as there were endless possibilities. They just weren't capitalized on...
- Likeable cast
- Decent acting. etc etc etc
- Repeat viewings!! (Me personally? I saw this 5 times, TLJ 3 and Rise 1) Now? I don't watch any of the ST films. We have the complete picture, and the ending affects how I now view the beginning. I don't hate them...just feel they were a huge waste of potential.

Now once that film was a smash hit...the next couple of installments drove that good will into the ground. The films should have been great ensembles like The LOTR's, but they weren't. A lot of the narrative decisions were preposterous, and the handling of Luke terrible. None of this is new...

Now onto Daisy. Very likeable actress that was let down by agenda pushing, and an incoherent story. She went through the three films without so much as a scratch. She was just amazing from the get go. What does that even say to little girls watching?? There was no plan and all the mysteries we pontificated over were for nought.

The appetite to go there again may be felt by 12 people here - But just wait and see what happens. Anecdotal evidence about "All the people I know" doesn't cut it either. You didn't say that, but someone above did.

For the record - I think they COULD make a decent film, just don't think they will. The red flags are all there. The track record at the moment with good vs bad products is shifting towards bad. BOBF, Kenobi and Mando season 3 (to me atleast) were childish and amateur. Andor is the only product released recently that felt competent. The same people ticking off some of these bad ideas, are the same people ticking off the film ideas... If that fills you with faith - great. It fills me with dread.

Lastly, great Av! I love that show and that character. I heard a rumor that a new season is being made!

 

With all due respect this is the type of incoherent nonsense that can easily be found on silly YouTube channels and trolling Twitter accounts. It's not something I'm interesting in intelligently discussing further. If that's your POV I understand your confusion.

Already made and set for release in a few weeks! Can't wait!

 

I do believe that Ridley and the other cast members did suffer from incoherent writing.

 

I don't want to rehash those films. There's other threads for that. There was much I didn't like about story choices, but Star Wars films are generally not difficult to understand so calling it "incoherent" is hyperbole. I know it's the internet and sensationalism is the norm, but one good thing about this forum is relatively good about avoiding hyperbole.

 

Can you please provide exact examples from the films. what was incoherent and agenda pushing?

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No. Rey (as the lessons the film conveys) defines who she is and who she chooses to be, and it a lesson to the audience. People can choose who they are and want to be.

What you seem to be advocating is that heritage and lineage is what defines a person. Which I frankly find very disturbing.

 

Nope. Only in repressive states, like the (former ) caste system in India or in North Korea. People are only defined by their heritage and not allowed to move beyond that

LOL! SW saga does not require blood and lineage to define who you and your choices. Otherwise Anakin would not have been able to join the Jedi's he would have remained a slave. And Luke would have been a murderous henchman like his father.

 

And what does this have to do with what I posted above? You are the one who insists that Rey can not move past being a Palpatine and who her grandfather is. But why should that be the case for Rey when it is not even an overall lesson in the saga?

No . What's practiced in oppressive states is the notion that people must be tied to their family lineage and can not move beyond. Which is what you insist must be the case for Rey. She is part of the
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I guess so, given the fact that what you said makes no sense. And you can't even provide any evidence about what the is incoherent about the ST.

 

With all due respect, you are engaged in the same dismissiveness you accuse @Veronica of.

I loved Daisy Ridley, the actress who played Rey, and enjoyed her character's introduction in TFA. But when all three ST films were out, I found myself feeling really sorry for her because of the way the filmmakers treated her character like a bouncing ball. Whatever choice of words you choose to use, it's a valid 'non-hyperbolic', criticism to opine the character was given a confusing, herky-jerky story arc over the course of the three films that were supposed to tell one grand, sweeping SW story in three separate parts like the OTs and the PTs.

One example of it was Rey's jumbled up parentage. What cannot be disputed is that viewers came away from each film with wildly different assumptions about her parents. When the final creative decision about her lineage was made in Film 3, there was no dramatic build-up or any foreshadowing of it. We were all led to believe the STs were a continuation of the Skywalker Saga -- and no one from Lucasfilm said any different. If that was never intended to be the case, why call the final film, "The Rise of Skywalker?" Seems to me it's not hyperbole for some SW fans to describe what we ended up getting as 'incoherent.'

I am well-aware there are other threads for this discussion. My point is that we need to be careful about dismissing opinions we don't like as internet sensationalism. Respect goes both ways.