SPECULATION Romance - who falls for who in VIII?

that's almost an understatement.. so many see the comedic moments, the banter with Chewie/Han/BB8 and completely ignore that this guy is possibly the biggest hero we've seen in SW to date.

a serious question... is he really that good looking?

does everyone find this attractive?..

yeah.. me too

 

Go away with that! You corrupted my soul!

 

Star Wars is about forgiveness. If it wasn't we wouldn't have seen Anakin standing next to Yoda and Ben after his death. It's a very difficult thing to accept sometimes. But if Star Wars teaches us anything it is that we must let go of hate. And once you do that, you can forgive.

I'd also say that in regards to friendship, is Finn actually loves Rey (as a friend or whatever) then that should be unconditional. He should also trust her. And so if she can forgive Ben, then so can and so should he.

It's important also to remember we're dealing with a fantasy story here where just about everything is a metaphor for the moral lesson we should be taking from it. Sure, in the real world it is less realistic to suggest people can and should forgive everyone. But in fantasy, it's the lesson that is important and the characters within the story can be written to do anything that supports that. Like I say, the forgiveness of Anakin is an extreme thing. To some it doesn't sit right. But it happened and it happened because Lucas wanted the message to be one of forgiveness and compassion over hate and selfishness.

 

lol

i'm beyond redemption.. the members of this Cantina have been corrupting my soul for years

 

i hope you didn't actually take my post remotely seriously. of course i'd really prefer him without having to have a sex change.
though it's always nice to clarify canonical reality ~ hahaha

@Maximus: well...yeah. [snort] : D

 

This is rather arrogant and selfish. You want everyone else to take the high road for a low life killer at the expense of themselves. Not going to happen. Rey and Kylo would deserve to die or I die trying to kill them. There is no way I would live in a galaxy with two overpowered emotional force users who can destroy it when they don't get what they want. A person with power doesn't work with people who have none.

 

If Luke tried to destroy Vader, he would've become Vader.
It's not about having power, it's about selflessness vs selfishness.
Luke taught Vader how to be selfless and compassionate again.
That was the message whether you like it or not.

 

we would have to have been inside Vader's head during his final moments on the death star to really know what was going on between his ears.


i've always thought that Luke's actions showed his father what real strength actually was... a different kind of strength to what he had discovered as a Sith.. a strength greater than his own. Vader watching the Emperor trying to turn his son must have been like watching himself turn all those years ago.. to see his son reject the Emperor... who he bows down to must have been a little more than eye opening for him.

the look on Ren's face when he was lying in the snow looking up at Rey... i wonder if that is the same look Vader had under his mask on the deathstar? respect/confusion/intrigue/fear all mixed into one. "how is this person stronger than me?" "this isn't what my master taught me" "they are supposed to be weak.. we are the strong ones"

 

In this old picture you may have a better look... it's a ring.



That said, being a #UntamedSpaceSpipper (I ship Poe + Ackbar against any kind of racism) no problem.

But KK and others - unfortunately - have already confirmed that the character is not gay.
Perhapas someone else.

However, I do believe that so many people believed Poe to be gay, because Oscar Isaac
is naturally.... ready to flirt.
He does it with anyone or whatever. Even with inanimate objects.
And beside BB8 in TFA, he only relates to Finn. So, here you go...



That said... seriusly speaking I may be wrong, but I don't see the point in giving to Poe a lover
that has to be revealed and that has to die in the same movie.
It looks like his arc in TLJ is yet focused on other stuff, and that wouldn't add a lot.

Therefore I believe that if the necklace+ring is not just a meaningless prop (it may be)
then it is his mother ring, because that her mother died when he was a child it's one of the few things
about his character estabisled even before TFA came out.

Usually if you choose that a character is dead it's because that death it's going to have a play out in the story yet to be told.

And that's why I suspect that the necklace+ring - if that of Shara - may be a plot point.
How, I don't know.

 

That was his father, and as he told Obi Wan "I can't kill my own father." That's a totally different relationship. Vader had his own reservations about the Emperor, so that also played a part into it as well. Luke reached out to Vader as father. Luke didn't see him as Vader. He saw him as his father. Big Big difference. The Emperor was giving out some serious pain to Luke, and with his pleas to his father Vader couldn't take it anymore. At that point Vader did what any father would have. Fight for his son's life.

What some of you guys are proposing is far worse when it comes to romance. You expect the galaxy to feel safe after what Kylo has done? You expect them to feel comfortable with him hooking up with another force user? The Skywalkers don't have a good track record when it comes to their abilities with the force. To expect an entire galaxy to not think of the safety of themselves and their families is selfish. Vader sacrificed himself for his son. You want the galaxy to sacrifice their safety for a love story between two people who can destroy it, as well as have children who can always be tempted to do harm. You're expecting a lot without giving anything.

 

Anyone can do evil. You're advocating the extermination of every Force user with that comment.

 

Lol....I know you were kidding...just wanted to bring up what I hoped for Poe in terms of a romance in the ST.

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I don't recall anything like this but I would think Holdo qualifies for this she has already hinted something to this effect in the recent Leia novel....and sorry but Poe isn't gay based on the remark made by Snap regarding him and not being trusted around ladies (as well as Jessika's flirtations with him) in the Poe Dameron comics....as I said before, he would always be bi.

Poe was barely in TFA....how can he just be designated the gay character by default? In Poe's Logbook, it is clear he has no attraction towards Finn either- just thinks he is a good guy and he needs to verify his backstory.....so again, no hints of him being gay except for the slow motion gif files of Poe biting his lip that people use as proof, which isn't evidence by any standard.

 

Yes, definitely a ring, and a small one, so most likely a woman's.

It's all the same to me, it's just that I expected him to be gay after what was said last year, and he was a great "candidate" in my opinion. But I haven't been keeping up with news about him so I missed a lot of stuff.

He never seemed flirty to me. Just friendly. That's why his orientation was a complete mystery and he could have been reveled as the gay character with no issues.

You're probably right. It's a small woman's ring, and the original owner is probably deceased, otherwise she'd be wearing it instead.

 

I think the ring belonging to his mother Shara Bey makes sense since she is the one who taught him to love flying, she worked with Luke and Leia and most importantly, this might be a way to slowly bring in the story of the force tree given to Poe's mother by episode 9.

 

I haven't read any of the books. Also:

1. No one "designated" Poe as gay. I only said that he would be a good choice if they're going with an openly gay character. I also explained the reasons.
2. I never said he has an attraction towards Finn. I said he didn't express interest in the opposite sex. There's a difference there.
3. I never claimed any evidence, and I didn't make any definitive statements.

 

yep, I think the same. It'll be his mother ring. the force tree will be important as well, I only guess...

 

I'm advocating the extermination of Kylo. Let's keep it on him. Kylo killed his father. Kylo is a part of an organization that wants to rule the galaxy by any means necessary. He doesn't deserve to have a life the moment he decided he was going to take life from others.

 

So the message of Star Wars is revenge? Hold onto hate? Condemn not forgive?
I'm sorry, I don't buy it. If Luke can love his "monster father" who in turn can save the galaxy and learn to love as well as be loved - I see no reason whatsoever why the same can't be the case for Ben Solo. It's what his father wanted after all:

"Leave here with me. Come home. We miss you".

Again, if we're dealing with a real world scenario then there are certain practicalities that are hard to get passed. But alas, we're dealing instead with a space fantasy whereby the moral message trumps that of the pragmatic argument.

 

The moral message is you pay for your crimes. It seems you could care less about anyone else as long as you get what you want. Kylo seems to have that issue too. You want him to have his life even though he's taken the lives of others? Like I said before. That sounds pretty selfish.

 

The point made is that both Vader and Kylo do pay for their crimes. Vader lost his mum, his wife, his friends, children, arms and legs. Kylo will also suffer great loss and is already in terrible pain.