SPECULATION Romance - who falls for who in VIII?

noble prize. noble prize to this post.

 

Based on everything we know about Han Solo, sticking around is not in his wheel house.
Kylo openly calls him a bad dad in TFA.
He left a pregnant Leia for incredibly dangerous missions in Aftermath.
It's his nature. But Kylo Ren openly says he was a disappointment.

But that's why I used quotes. It's likely he was a bit of an absentee dad in those formative years.
From what we know, Kylo didn't like Han as a father. He and Leia did have that Force bond.

 

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but we know they were still married and still loved each other.
and pregnant Leia came after him in Life Debt ~ because yes, that's who they are.
i don't think Ren's opinion of his father can necessarily be trusted; and all he said was that he was disappointed.

i'm not disputing that Han wasn't there for him in a way he obviously needed as a father.
i'm just saying we still don't know everything and it's a bit much to say Han was just flat out a bad dad.
"bad dad" to me is someone who doesn't love his kid, doesn't care what happens to them, doesn't even try.
Han was unintentionally negligent at worst; confused and clueless perhaps more likely?

 

Again, I never spoke in favor of Reylo. I'm not for any of that.

A stable relationship takes many years to develop, it's not something that happens over the course of a few weeks and months (That only happens in the mind of people who either don't have any experience, or belong to a very small lucky minority). But, in order for a relationship to start in the first place there has to be some sort of romantic tension. Now, of course, there are some friendships that eventually turn into romantic relationships, but that may take several years to pan out.

Also, just because two people agree and respect each other means they will fall in love? Give me a break.

There is nothing in The Force Awakens that indicates that Finn or Rey like each other more than just friends, especially from Rey's side. People always take Finn's line "Got a boyfriend?" as some sort of "confirmation" that Finn is interested in her. But that is basically the only "flirty" thing in the whole movie that's being said between them. Now, if there was a scene where Finn talks with BB-8 and says something like "She's tough, but... really pretty though", that would've been an indicator - but he doesn't. And then there's Han's line "Women always find out the truth", but that's just Han's own interpretation of what's going on. He's not Finn or Rey.

 

Can you give me a link to interview with Boyega?

 

"I loved the developing romance between your character, Finn and Rey in “The Force Awakens.” How is that romance evolving in the next chapter?

Boyega: I mean, we didn’t establish a romance in seven; we never played it that way. Daisy and I, we’re friends.

So there’s no romance?

Boyega: Yes, Finn and Rey – they’re just friends. Finn is a storm trooper, so he doesn’t really know what’s going on. So the romance thing is something that’s going to be interesting in the next installment. It’s not going to go the way you think it’s going to go."

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/star-wars-episode-viii-darker-bigger-john-boyega-1201774027/

The context is important: He said that in May 2016 to a journalist who expected a Rey-Finn Romance, his response "nope the romance in Episode 8 won't be between Rey and Finn".

Even today there's still people who think Rey and Finn = romance of the trilogy.

 

Because some people can't accept facts.

 

Thanks for that link

 

Again, that's why I used quotes. Because to the person it mattered most, he was a bad dad.

 

People saw a relationship that's going to build, and so the interviewer asked him where were him and Rey going. She jumped the gun, but it's obvious there relationship will be key to this trilogy. There might be a twist and turn, but based on TFA who is the most important person in Rey's life right now? What does Rey want? People keep talking about some force connection or whatever it may be, but that takes away choice, and I highly doubt in this feminist age they will take that away from her.

 

would like it to be Kylo and Rey as that would take the story in a different direction.

 

I saw a relationship too, one that's going to build into a great friendship similar to Han and Luke.

If you're going to bring up feminism, at least be realistic. Going by that assumption, it's more plausible that Rey won't find a man at all. Lol.

 

So far, the only two romances that make sense within the context of Episode VII are FinnRey or Stormpilot (love triangles will never,ever be a thing in mainstream media.) I am not much of a shipper, but I certainly hope that Reylo won't be a thing. In the end, Ben and Rey can cooperate, but I cannot imagine them becoming a couple. I don't care if it would push the story in a different direction (which isn't equivalent with a better direction,) be a perfect marriage of light and dark or some other stuff like that, it just doesn't feel right. To be honest, I kind of hope for FinnRey but only if the story would follow my imaginary and very grim ooutline, which is very unlikely to happen.

 

i figure it will either ally with the feminist model du jour and she'll have nothing but platonic relationships and be wholly her own individual and independent person at the end of this all, or it will deliberately spit in the eye of that convention and stand by the fairy tale/penny serial formula on which Star Wars has always been based.

it's literally a coin toss as to which direction this will go.

i have all faith in Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson (and Abrams) to give us a good story regardless of Rey's "romantic" path (or lack thereof).

 

I´m a Reylo supporter but I understand the concerns regarding Finn and how he would perceive this as a betrayal. And to be honest this applies to the whole Resistance as well, and by extension the audience. Full disclosure, as a writer, I eat that drama up. Perhaps the potential for so much tension is what makes this pairing so intriguing in the first place.

I can't recall the exact interview, but I remember JJ specifically mentioning how TFA was mainly about establishing Kylo as a worthy villain, someone that could follow in the footsteps of an iconic character like Vader. And they did such a good job, any sort of reconciliation with Rey is a super hard sell. Some people might worry Reylo would be fueled by a lust-ridden physical attraction, and let's face it, nobody wants that. It's the much maligned "girls love bad boys" trope. Rey has too much sense for that. But if they had some other common ground, like a force-link, this would allow them to bond in different way. Rey can't ever begin to see Kylo as anything other than a beast until she understands the Ben Solo side of him. A force connection would let her in to the side he desperately tries to hide. And if we don't get a force-bond, then they could throw in the forced proximity trope where they just have to work together and are forced into each other's spaces so they get to interact on a different level. This is also known as the "rivals team up" trope. There's a ton of tools a writer can pull from the toolbox to achieve a particular outcome. But as with any story, it all boils down to execution. Do I believe they will 100% go down the Reylo route? I'm honestly 50-50. They could mess it up royally.

Assuming they do go full Reylo, Finn can only come to forgive Rey given the right circumstances. And this is were redemption comes in. Actually not just redemption, but atonement. Kylo would have to eventually do something so selfless in favor of the Resistance and the Galaxy as a whole, even Finn sees him in a different light. Is this possible? I think so. I'm on the Kylo can be redeemed camp. Should he have a Happily Ever After with Rey? I don't know about that. Some believe patricide ensures he gets to rot in hell. I'm conflicted about it because it has to be written in a way that makes sense or it will be a collective groan. Anyway, Reylo might be a source of conflict between Finn and Rey for a while, sure, but he could eventually come to understand the "why" of it. By the way, this is my first post ever on this forum so apologies if I'm not being coherent enough. I have way too many ideas running in my head but I tried to keep this post brief.

 

i guess i believed in the force bond long before all this "Reylo" whatnot came up, and i still believe that it will be a path to Ben's redemption.
only a peer will be able to help him ground himself and pull back to the Light. the whole crux of his character is that he feels misunderstood.
Luke and Leia can't solve that (they are part of the problem). the understanding has to come from an external (to the family) source.

it all could fit together very nicely if they are to resolve the balance (which they seem to be set up to do).
and that could be platonic or romantic. i honestly think it doesn't matter ~ that's not what's important.

welcome to the Cantina, @darklight! : D

 

In my opinion, Rey is a new Luke and there will be no romance. The only love story we will see it's one with Finn with Rose. I think that romance it's not the most important topic in TLJ, like Carrie Fisher said: "it's about family". Maybe in IX we will see more romance but I don't think it will happened in VIII.

 

There's a romance in Episode 8, but it's not like Han-Leia in the OT, in Episode 8 the romance is not "a centerpiece" but it could be "a centerpiece" in Episode 9.

 

Thank you! And I agree with everything you said. This connection has been alluded to so much already by official sources, it's got to be the pathway to these two growing and evolving together. Nobody external truly understands what it's like to be Rey or to be Ben Solo. Only they themselves do. Hell, Luke looks totally freaked out in the trailer. The power we're dealing with in the ST is unlike anyone has seen before. I still remember my jaw dropping when Kylo froze that blaster bolt in midair.