SPOILER TBOBF Ep.6 - From The Desert Comes a Stranger

I love how subtle Luke uses the force here.

 

Just some thoughts here: Looking at that video of Luke “walking” Grogu, I wonder if that’s going to be how Grogu learns to get around in the future when no one is carrying him- in little hops.
How does one get better in using the force? Is it like a muscle? The more you use it, the less tired you are afterwards?
Perhaps a third alternative for Grogu is that he learns the force with Luke and Mando ALSO stays there with him while Luke teaches Mando how to wield the dark saber.
Why does this whole use of the force have to be tied to the religion of the Jedi? There’s no universal law that says that you MUST be a Jedi to use it, is there? Perhaps Grogu can still become powerful in the force; just not as a Jedi. Maybe he can become a force healer and protector for Mando and others. Despite claiming to be the peaceful ones, the Jedi seem to kill an awful lot of life forms. Maybe Grogu will become a defensive weilder of the force or even a peacemaker.

 

The criticism I’ve seen lobbed at it is to the effect of ‘After ROTJ, Luke should be reinventing the Jedi and not continuing tradition. Shenanigans!’ Which, logically, is true. Luke SHOULD be doing that. But the whole plot behind the sequel trilogy hinges on the premise that Luke DIDN’T do that. That’s the continuity. That’s what makes it a tragedy - it could have been avoided if the character had made better decisions. That’s respecting the story. Not disregarding it.

I feel like it’s an issue in general with audience members not accepting the possibility that their heroes can have flaws. They’re not perfect and can make errors in judgement. It isn’t that the WRITER is getting it wrong. It’s that the CHARACTER is getting it wrong. But since, from their perspective, the character can’t ever be wrong, it must be the writer - they just don’t ‘get it’.

 

All good points.

While we want to see that Luke has improved the Jedi, we know that at some point they quickly go into decline again.

Makes me think that Luke made many of the same mistakes that the prequel Jedi did (to reiterate, I'm obviously not saying that this means the Jedi deserved to die for their mistakes).

 

I’ve seen some fans complaining about Cad Bane’s facial proportions compared to the cartoon. Whenever I hear that complaint I always think of this image:

 

2 more days for the finale! I have high hopes or well at least for action

 

I disagree and I'm not sure Lucas saw it that way either. Yes, we see things come undone for Luke later, but the lesson Yoda tells him isn't "you're attempting to replicate tradition." It's that he didn't learn from failure. The "Jedi shouldn't forbade attachment anymore" is basically a fan creation.

 

My fave.

 

I want HI-RES images of those!!!

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My fav too, and its on Disney+. I wish we got this version of Grievous in ROTS.

 

Yeah, all they needed to do IMO, is make the hat brim a little wider, then it's all good. Probably didn't work well in real life.
Now, when are we gonna get some info on Duros, like how old is this guy?

 

For me, it’s one in the same. The resolution to ROTJ is Luke and Anakin defending/reclaiming their souls chiefly because of attachment.

Luke is almost swayed to give in to his dark impulses because of his attachment to Leia - like his father had with his attachment to Padmé. Demonstrating how attachment can be negative. But it’s that attachment between father and son that beats back that same darkness. Demonstrating how attachment can also be positive. It’s not a one-size-fits-all solution. The challenge is in recognizing the difference between the two. Why are you attached? Is it selfish or is it selfless? That’s the key. That’s the moral.

The Jedi had the same uncompromising approach as Snyder’s Batman - if there's even a 1% chance, we have to take it as an absolute certainty. Since attachment COULD be dangerous, then it must be avoided altogether. Abstinence. No nuance. No uncertainty. It’s that unyielding egotism that leads to hubristic statements like “I do not believe the Sith could have returned without us knowing” or “Count Dooku was once a Jedi. He couldn't assassinate anyone. It's not in his character” or “The Jedi Council would have to take control of the senate in order to secure a peaceful transition” or “He's too dangerous to be left alive”.

It’s that same mindset that led them to become so hopelessly embroiled in the Clone Wars and to their own downfall - their failure. It’s that same mindset that carried on to Luke and what led to his own future failure, “I failed. Because I was Luke Skywalker. Jedi Master. A legend.” That’s the failure I hear Yoda speaking to in TLJ. Luke didn’t “grow beyond” his masters and his adherence to their traditions is symptomatic of that.

 

Ahsoka says she is not a Jedi. Seems to me she’s a pretty powerful Force wielder.

Like it or not, TLJ is canon so Favreau and Filoni are beginning the painful — but necessary — process of getting Luke from Point A to Point Z.

 

(Really aside tangent:
To Synder's Batman's credit, he, like Luke, did change. He failed, but he ultimately recognized that failure for what it was, and changed before it was too late. Sorry, I just really wanted to note that the 1% chance thing was a starting place for Synder's Batman, not an ending place. Please carry on.)

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It's...weird. It's sort of like gardening or cooking, I guess, rather than working out. One doesn't need to read a manual or watch how-to videos in order to garden or cook. Those things may help, and they may explain what is happening, but there will always be choices, decisions, and trials that the person gardening or cooking will have to face on their own. The more they do these activities, the better they get. Soon, they can eyeball amounts or recognize the signs of pests. The Jedi (and Sith) are like selective culinary or gardening schools. They take people who have the potential and are likely to use their method, and train them in that way.

Nope, there isn't. The Force also isn't tied to the Jedi as a whole. TLJ openly states saying so is "vanity," and claims it to be a fault of the Jedi of the past. TCW and several other pieces of media (like Jedi: Fallen Order) go out of their way at times to show that there are more than just Jedi and Sith in the galaxy. Here, Luke hasn't really expanded his mindset to understand that yet, from what I can tell.
In the overall scheme of things, I'm assuming it's because Jedi are more fun, have a known philosophy and challenges, have cool lightsabers, and have brand-name identity. Justifying a new Force Group means you have to justify its existence and justify why the characters aren't Jedi or Sith. It's far from impossible and has been done in Legends for decades. But I don't think it's as accessible as Jedi are. A shame, though.

 

These are fun to watch while waiting for chapter 7.

Chapters 5 & 6 have awakened fandom in a good way, will episode 7 be just as epic?

 

Don't expect any Star Wars show or film to come out and say the Jedi were flat wrong to avoid attachment and Luke was wrong to rebuild them with that same policy in place. It will be a dull day when it spells things out in that manner.

 

I have to confess that I haven't have time to watch this chapter yet. But did Luke indeed say that attachment is bad. Isn't it more like if you want to be a Jedi you have to do it with your whole heart. Which is actually true for a lot of things. Most things, won't work well when your thoughts are always somewhere else.
At least he gives Mini-me the choice if they want to devote his live to be a Jedi. Not sure if the old order ever gave that choice.

 

Vader was saved by his son because of attachment. In TROS Ben was saved by Rey because of attachment.
In the official novelization of TLJ, it's implied that Luke and Leia think Rey's connection with Kylo will save them all, even Ben himself.


Luke (and Rey even more) definitely will change the ways of the Jedi.