SPECULATION The Official Leia Discussion Thread

Brilliant! +1000

I definitely think we will see the effects of Vader on the Skywalker children and their relationships going forward.

 

I would say it would have to be addressed in episode 7. I think she would definitely need to see a therapist. Who wouldn't when they find out that their father was responsible for the destruction of the entire jedi order and probably ordered the death of millions in the emporers name. Just because he returned to the light does not mean he should be absolved for his crimes. If it's common knowledge the she is Vaders daughter I would imagine there would be some kind of back lash. Possibly from former imperial who are to discredit her and luke to weaken the Rebel Alliance as they are attempting to establish a new democratic government.
Leia may have forgiven Vader but that doesn't mean she doesn't have a hard time convincing others that she and her brother are not the next-generation Vader. I could see a fledgling government not wanting anything to do with the name Skywalker. Similar to say Hitler or some other terrible dictator having a son and Noone wants him involved in anything that could put any type of power in his hands. I know Hitler never had kids I'm just using his evil to make a point.

 

I'm thinking she needs the therapy more for seeing her entire homeworld destroyed than realizing that Vader, who may have tortured her a little with a syringe, is her father.
That being said, I do hope that Vader's shadow/presence lingers over both Luke and Leia, hence why I hope they call the film Star Wars: Episode VII: The Dark Legacy.

 

what if everyone distrust Luke & Leia because Vader was their father??? will they keep it a secret? anyone studying galactic republic history would know that he was their father if they connect the dots. ... & yeah, I am half serious & half joking

 

......um no he didnt kill all the jedi. Luke is like in and he is a jedi........and it's possible there are other sith in the galaxy but luke is definitely a jedi and 1 light side user and no dark side user in not balance.
What if Leia falls then 2 twins 1 light 1 dark.........that is balance......or luke and Leia are light and there are 2 more sith or whatever. .........just a thought

 

Im just playong devils advocate here but If everyone thinks vader killed anikan as obiwan had told luke its plausible the noone know but those whom luke or leia have told

The Dark Legacy.....that sounds awesome and this could provide the main theme of the
Movie. With the heros from rotj vilified due to their heritage but them the galaxy needs saving again so they have to go find luke and ask for help.

 

Yeah, that's what I had in mind when they announced Episode VII way back when. My initial thoughts were something like this: Luke Skywalker is struggling with his past, and his brush with the Dark Side - and I was thinking that maybe he had not been able to do as Yoda wished, to pass on what he had learned, and that would also gel with him being in exile. But I never considered that maybe Leia would be mistrusted as well, but that's of course a possibility (although, by the end of Jedi, Han Solo is the only character who knows the truth, and well, maybe Artoo).

However, I think it is more than plausible that the galactic citizens' general distrust would be to the Jedi Knights. Either not believing they were all that, after all, or just distrusting them for bringing down the Republic.

 

While I feel her character does need to get some decent screen time in at least this first sequel movie, I think at most a passing reference would suffice, or even no mention at all.

Now, that does of course involve the subject matter. With all the rumors swirling around, we'll have to wait and see... but if certain thoughts/images do prove to be in the movie (I'm thinking of the cyborg/Vader's helmet image which still could be fake), or if the subject matter turns to say her and Luke discussing the dark side in some fashion... I could see such a discussion taking place.

Then again, given it's been 30 years, one would hope that her feelings on this had been fleshed out in some manner during that time off-screen, and so I would think to keep it to a reference or "small" discussion at most.

I agree with your thought on the last part. It would indeed be interesting to see that some of the misinformation fed to pretty much everyone about the attempted coup still held around into contemporary times. Granted, some of the Jedi did actually attempt a coup, but what I meant was that truth behind it was of course thrown out and replaced by Palpatine's version. It would be a very interesting dynamic indeed, with perhaps part of this trilogy being devoted to the successor organization to the Jedi eventually regaining the trust of the people, albeit with difficulty.

 

I think we may get to see Leia use the force. But I bet it'll be left to a big scene where we've been thinking the whole time "has she been trained? what can she do? And then "WHAM" she does something awesome. She may die like Obi-Wan did. A sacrifice to save someone. She was happy to pick up a gun when needed. Don't see why she'd be reluctant to use a lightsaber.

 

There weren't many that knew the secret and even fewer still alive after ROTJ to tell it. In fact, only Luke and Leia, Han probably doesn't even know OR if he does it is a bone of contention between him and the twins.

 

HAHAA, it would be cool with a scene where Han is told the secret that the grandfather of his child/children is VADER & they also tell 3P0, I can hear both their voices & responses to that

 

You mean like, "Wait WHAT?!"

 

Is Luke a Jedi? He is in touch with the Force, but he's not a member of the Jedi Order. Vader destroyed the Jedi Order and the Sith. Luke exists as one who can feel the Force, but the division between Sith and Jedi was erased by the Chosen One. I think Anakin definitely WAS the Chosen One, and I think he brought balance to the Force by erasing the divide between Jedi and Sith. There will still be heroes and villains in the Sequel Trilogy, but the line between the Light Side and the Dark Side, between Sith and Jedi, is forever blurred. The Force is whole again, not split in two warring factions. That's where I think Episode VII is headed.

 

Good point about Vader being Luke and Leia's father being an impediment to any political careers. How would German post WWII have ever been able to have a child of Hitler or Goebbels rise to a high ranking leader? I wonder if/how this will be dealt with in the ST. Luke is easy if he has gone into exile for some of the time. But Leia of all the characters, was always like her mother and preferred to help people from serving in government.

 

That is an interesting thought, and to me it brings forth the question of who actually knew of her lineage outside of Luke, Vader, Yoda, Obi-Wan, and then Bail Organa plus wife?

The adoption is touched upon briefly at the end of EPIII, but canon-wise I'm not sure if she was always believed to be an Organa by blood, or if the adoption was known.

That said, providing the chance none but the select few knew or her true lineage, I figure she'd just go with the "daughter of Organa" story. No sense in disturbing anything by bringing that up unnecessarily, especially considering that she was raised by Bail Organa and it could be argued whether a tendency towards the dark side carries down to offspring -- if she even is actively working on her Force skills at that.

I'm respectably side-stepping the Luke issue in this case, because that's a whole other bag of unknowns right now.

 

Kind of hard for Luke to escape his family history. His name is Skywalker so it would have eventually become common knowledge that he was Vader's son. unless of course they want to play it that Vader's true name is lost to history.

If Luke, Leia and Han decided to keep it secret, they wouldn't have to disclose where Leia came from before the Organas adopted her. Nobody questioned her before Alderan was destroyed so there's be even less proof after.

But not telling the truth is very OLD school Jedi policy, and not something I can see Luke and Leia wanting to rebuild any kind of Jedi Order on. I can see them airing their dirty laundry right up front so they don't have to maintain a lie. Whether or not that would have negative consequences for them is kind of interesting to me.

 

This is most likely. Darth Vader wasn't all that important to the Galactic Empire - I bet not very many people would even know about him, besides the Jedi knights of course (because he killed them all). Many of the people that did know him didn't respect him, and most people in the Galactic Empire don't even believe in the Force, or know about the Jedi knights. I don't think people would care if even if they did find out that Darth Vader was Luke and Leia's father.

 

I think it would be cool for Leia to go Darkside. She got just as much Force potential as Luke, but no training (at least at the end of Jedi). Her trainer (should she choose to train) would have to be Luke. Sibling training would probably cause her to get pissed a lot. And she's kinda bratty anyway. She's lost her entire planet, got tortured by Vader, and then found out Vader is her father. Also, she's in love with Han. It was bad news for Anakin when he fell in love.

It would be wild if Luke fell to the darkside and took Leia as his apprentice. The Daisy/Daughter/Niece character tries to turn them back...or kill them.

 

Very good points, and I could easily see it going the way you describe. However, as idealistic as she is, I would still wonder about Leia myself. She was a politician, and even as Obi-Wan mentions about Padmé in the PT, "And don't forget, she's a politician, and they're *not* to be trusted."

Luke I could see wishing to air out his dirty laundry, but also withholding Leia's past out of respect for Leia, respect for what were indeed "her people" who were lost (destroyed with Alderaan), and for the realization that, having been a figurehead for the Rebellion, she could achieve so much good for the galaxy without the tarnishing of her legacy.

I'm going under the assumption that Leia might not play an active role in any rebuilding of the Jedi Order, except indirectly by using politics to gain much-needed public support for such an endeavor. If that were the case, she could indeed keep that secret without having the Jedi Order necessarily being rebuilt on it, provided Luke is forthright about his past.

 

Then why was the movie called Return of the JEDI?