The Reason Why Finn Can Wield A Lightsaber

Thank you for responding in a troll like manner providing no evidence against my claims, and just trying to incite anger. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from ad-hominem attacks on this thread. Per what I stated in the original post:

"I want LOGICAL RESPONSES that are rational, coherent, and not fallacious. If you have evidence against my argument, then I would be MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE YOUR OPPOSING EVIDENCE PRESENTED. However, please present your argument backed by coherent, non-fallacious evidence/argument structure."

Please refrain from further illogical, irrational, and fallacious behavior. I more than welcome any, and all, criticisms that meet the guidelines for what is an acceptable criticism--what you have posted isn't one of them.

My only goal here is to try and find truth through opposition, which is why I encourage opposition. I'm only arguing my position so someone else can argue the other to hopefully bring us towards a sense of greater clarity, and you're impeding that process.

So as I have stated previously: please refrain from toxic behavior.

 

There's a lot of confusion about this, and it's understandable why the confusion is there. So I'll step, by step you through it in a logical format to try and make it very visible to you, and to others, where you confusion is coming from:

>There are not that many 'extremely' talented people
>All people who are force sensitive are extremely talented, and have a knack for something specific, or something general (Finn is said to be in the top 1% of all troopers, that's more general. Anakin Skywalker was extremely good at pod racing and working with electronics, that's more specific)
>Not all extremely talented people are force sensitive, but all force sensitives are extremely talented people <----- confusion indicator
>People who are force sensitive can become unnaturally/superhumanly good in their area of talent
>Non-force sensitives cannot develop superhuman abilities in their area of talent

So: All force sensitives are extremely talented people, but not all extremely talented people are force sensitive. However, that doesn't answer your question directly, but this should:

"Where does being good at something end and where does the Force begin?" There isn't a clear distinction that can be made between the two. The only thing you can do is make statements like I did above to try, and distinguish a general point (that is flexible--meaning it can move) where the higher you set the bar talent wise, the more likely it is that you're going to run in to force sensitives. If you keep adjusting that bar to a point where you're at an extremely high talent level, and you're only seeing force sensitives, then that may be the dividing line. HOWEVER, there may be many LESS talented force sensitives that slip below the bar. Therefore, you cannot mark a specific point of where one thing ends, and the other begins in this instance--you can only mark a general area in which 'something' (in this case it's the occurrence of force sensitivity) is more likely to occur.

If there's anything that I didn't make clear feel free to ask, I'm more than open to discussing how I got to my conclusion--you can also base your own conclusions off of what I've said, or just shoot it down completely.

 

Yeah that was back in episode IV/V where they based combat off of Japanese Kenjutsu-nodachi kendo se which is a Japanese combat style that focuses on brute strength and overpowering your opponent with large, heavy two handed weapons. After that, Lucas pulled a complete 180 and adopted Kenjutsu-Katana kendo ah se and Laijutsu. Kenju-Katana focuses on speed, agility, and quick glancing strikes in a dueling setting. Laiju focuses on perfect form going at extremely fast paces and also being extremely technical. Lucas was literally all over the place with how he treated saber combat. As for them not having weight, there's info out there in the EU (pretty sure that it's still canon as well) that states sabers were essentially weightless. The weightlessness being one of the primary reasons (not the only one) non-force sensitives thought they were extremely unwieldy, and chose blasters instead.

But also just by watching any of the films, it'd be pretty much impossible to swing anything with heft the way they do in the PT, and in some instances in the OT, as well.

Here's the stuff on Lucas:

 

Yeah, go through and re-read my post, as I think you may have missed a point or two. I never claim that a non-force sensitive cannot wield a light saber (I say the opposite, and give examples of ones that do). However, the only prior training that would transfer from non-lightsaber training, is technical work ex: cut types, perry styles, foot work, movements and motions. Going from a staff to a saber? No. Those are two completely different weapons with two completely different fighting styles. Also, as I mentioned in the OP, lightsabers are unlike any other weapons, so the amount of prior training that translates into meaningful performance is probably negligible.

 

I find this really, really strange as her technique with the saber was nothing more than awful. I mean it was absolute garbage, and the only reason she beat out Kylo was because he was already fatigued from Finn who placed a second injury on him, and Rey simply "harnessed the force." Her skill with the saber is nothing short of garbage. Finn was actually quite technical with his dueling, and actually demonstrated high proficiency and skill. I do think that this was intentional as well. Too obvious for it not to be (to me at least).

 

Not sure if you're addressing this to me, but I'll respond in case you were.

Wasn't trying to say that you are using the lightsaber as a sword, I was trying to make an anology--guess I didn't make it clear enough, so I'll probably go back and refine it. What I meant to say was: lightsabers don't have any weight; those that can use the force "feel" the weight of the blade through their senses, unlike those who can't use the force and must constantly keep an eye or where the blade is so they don't kill themselves. Much like in real life: if you pick up a sword, you can "feel" where blade is, you don't need to keep an eye on it because you just "know" where it is.

1. Never said you had to be a force user to wield a saber
2. Yeah lost limbs and then some.