The Reason Why Finn Can Wield A Lightsaber

wait, Grievous has brain chips??

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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grievous

hahahah go to physical description, where it states clearly that his brain is not augmented

 

Now understand this:
If you're not FS/trained with a saber (those who aren't FS can wield them in combat, but every single non-FS person we've seen wield one has been trained to use sabers), you're going to either chop off a limb or kill yourself. So for young luke skywalker using the lightsaber for the first time with kenobi to pick up a saber, without any prior training with using sabers, and not kill himself--far too lucky, kinda like... he is FS lucky if you see what I'm getting at.

For a non-FS to use a lightsaber, they would need, "very specialized training." young luke skywalker using the lightsaber for the first time with kenobi doesn't have that "very specialized training," but eyyyy he's still alive and in one piece aint he? I mean that's almost force finn... wait I've already said that.

young luke skywalker using the lightsaber for the first time with kenobi in the millenium falcon in episode iv did not hurt himself or do anything stupid with his sword and he only started to be "fs" once he was about to destroy the deathstar.

 

“What would happen if someone used a lightsaber in real life?” Nothing would happen, because lightsabers don’t exist in real life. They’re made up devices fueled by a made up power source. You may as well also concern yourself with how your imaginary friend is going to insure his pirate ship.

“Wouldn’t a real person instantly maim themselves with a lightsaber?” No, an invisible unicorn would probably intervene to save them. Because if one ridiculous, make-believe thing now exists then why not another?

 

Lots of non-Force users have used lightsabers. Remember Grievous? Han Solo?

Finn was trained in melee combat, which explains how he can wield a saber and not be Force sensitive.

 

Finn is a main protagonist in a fantasy movie. His capabilities are only limited by what the writers decide. If a non-force-sensitive person needs to effectively wield a lightsaber, then that’s what’s going to happen. It only needs to be plausible. A combat trained soldier brandishing a melee weapon possessing all the mechanical complexity of a flashlight taped to a sword seems plausible enough to me.

Why do people think Abrams and Kasdan care as much about lightsaber logistics as they do? It was just a misdirect. It was likely only there so Rey using it at the end would remain a surprise. No reason to look any deeper than that.

 

I wonder what Finn is dreaming about ? The cantina? @Viral Hide maybe? Plagueis' potato head ?

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He's definitely jamming to this in his coma cause he got Rey on the brain.

 

BAHAHAHA

 

No they aren't.

From Wookieepedia:
"A parsec was a unit of distance equivalent to about 19 trillion miles. Despite a parsec being a unit of distance and not time, Han Solo twice boasted about the speed of his spaceship by claiming it made the Kessel Run in "less than twelve parsecs." The planets of Vanqor and Florrum were six parsecs away from each other. Tatooine was less than a parsec away from Geonosis. The Kamino system was located twelve parsecs south of the Rishi Maze."

The reason why "speed" in the Kessel Run is measured in Parsecs, it takes a faster ship to go in and out of hyperspace, and a faster computer to calculate the jumps, to make the run between moving targets, in a shorter distance.

That's because they enter into hyperspace; an alternate dimension where real world physics doesn't apply.

The theory here is that one needs to be Force Sensitive OR have training to use a lightsaber without causing self harm.
I don't really think that is how the Force works. Jedi younglings are Force Sensitive, but they apparently use non-harmful training sabers.
I would imagine that in order to "feel" the lightsaber through the Force, one would actually need to make a conscious effort to do so.
I don't believe that being Force Sensitive is enough on it's own, unless you're the chosen one or something.
One could argue that Luke used the Force while training with the remote, but when he first picks it up, he doesn't do anything of the kind.
A good case for this is Rey. She doesn't do very well in her fight against Kylo at all, to begin with. Were Kylo not trying to take her alive to Snoke, he would have ended things quickly. She was only able to defeat him when she made the conscious effort to connect with the Force.

 

Well, if that's the case then that means TPTB could go any direction they want with the character, including a route you and others don't see/believe. So until that final nail is in the coffin all bets are off.

 

Um no.

Kylo Ren has a moment of crazy kills his father. Then gets shot by uncle Chewie with the bowcaster which they made the point is super powerful. He then limps out into the snow. Heading them off toward the Falcon.

Finn picks up the sabre does pretty well scoring a hit on Kylo.

Rey uses the force surprising Ren, they have a fight in which he is trying to subdue her not kil her. He suggests he can teach her. She then relies on the force and gets a lot better and is able to beat the wounded Kylo.

I am really not sure where you are going with this bio mechanics of the human body prevent the type of injury you are describing here. Because if you are holding the handle you would have to change or even spin the grip to bring the blad back toward yourself. Also this is easy to test. Get a flash light swing it around if you hold the handle with both hands and aim it up and away from you unless you switch hands, change the grip or let it spin you are not going to diagonally bisect yourself. Don't get me wrong lightsabre's are dangerous and they very well might be hard for a novice to effectively wield you might easily hit a shoulder or you head depending on how you hold/swing it but even not seeing the blade itsel (which you can with a sabre) you still can reliably understand where the blade is in relation to how you are holding it even with out extensive training.

Also you closed with an ad hominem attack

I always figured Parsecs were like Light Years which are both measurements of time and distance.

 

Parsec is a term derived from the contraction of parallax and arcsecond. Two concepts that rely on the curvature of our planet in order to measure distance . . . with TELESCOPES. In space, that idea would be totally worthless. If ‘parsec’ is a measurement of distance in that far away galaxy, then it’s most certainly a different kind than we use here.

A rough equivalent would be like looking at a world atlas and saying “the distance between North America and Africa is from my fingertip to my second knuckle.”

“You’re looking at the guy that circumnavigated the globe in under six knuckles!!”

 

Just to be clear, and because I can't help myself ...

I was making the example that the term term parsec, as used in AGFFA, is incorrect according to science.

Regarding the weightlessness of a LS blade, it is fine and dandy to talk about the physics of plasma and magnetic fields...but on film, the blades clearly do have mass.

That either makes the argument moot, as in Lightsabers obey a different set of physical rules in AGFFA than they would here,

Or it means that we are now arguing that what we see on screen isn't the "real" Star Wars

And I kinda hope that Cut In Two doesn't actually flame out. He is obviously a smart young man, and I have really enjoyed this. Too bad it got personal, or rather that he saw it as personal, which then actually did make it personal.

It is kind of like witchcraft as described by the Anthropologist W.I.Thomas.

Whether or not a curse is a real and measurable thing, if you believe it is real and it affects your behavior, then by definition it is real. That is, a thing, which in fact caused a measurable or demonstrable effect.

 

personally, i think anyone can pick up a lightsaber and wave it around. it's a mechanical device and they never talk about having to use the Force to turn it on or keep it running.

as for deflecting blaster bolts and such, obviously it takes Force sensitivity and training to do that. it'd be like hitting a bullet with a baseball bat! lol

 

I just want to point out, having watched this scene dozens of times in the past few days, that the only reason Finn lands that hit, is because Kylo puts himself into a position that he can't block against. Finn's lucky that Kylo was so overconfident to leave that opening.
Finn really doesn't do that well at all.

If you really want to test this, you will need:
- a dark, smoke filled room.
- a flashlight
- preferably some people to observe or cameras to record.
Take the flashlight in both hands, swing it around like a lightsaber.
If the light beam hits the wielder, they have injured them self, otherwise they are unharmed.

Light years are not a measurement of time... they are a measurement of distance.
1 Light year = 9.46 trillion km (about 6 trillion miles)
1 Parsec (in the real world) = about 3.26 light years, or 31 trillion km (19 trillion miles)

A light year is the distance that light travels in a year.
The speed of light is generally constant.
Multiple any constant speed by a fixed number of time, and you end up with a measurement of distance.

Again, from wookieepedia:

"A parsec was a unit of distance equivalent to about 19 trillion miles. Despite a parsec being a unit of distance and not time, Han Solo twice boasted about the speed of his spaceship by claiming it made the Kessel Run in "less than twelve parsecs." The planets of Vanqor and Florrum were six parsecs away from each other. Tatooine was less than a parsec away from Geonosis. The Kamino system was located twelve parsecs south of the Rishi Maze."

The only reason why people are confused is because they don't consider that things in space move.
The Kessell Run is not a fixed distance; it's a route in-between moving objects.
The faster you are, the shorter the distance you travel (at least in the case of the Kessel Run).

Except it's not... as far as we can tell a parsec in Star Wars is a parsec according to Earth science.

It doesn't help that George Lucas is inconsistent.

When they were filming the OT, Mark Hamill was directed to wield it with both hands, in order to give the lightsaber an added sense of "weight." Not necessarily "weight" in the sense of mass*gravity, but in the sense of a high pressure water hose. If you dont' hold on to the hose, it will move around on it's own. I think that's kind of what George Lucas was getting at.

So even though the blade itself may be "weightless" the constant stream of energy emitted by the weapon produces a force which makes it feel "heavy."

 

Not unless those objects are other ships moving through hyperspace....

Apparently, George Lucas says in the commentary on the DVD/Blu-Ray, that Han was really just saying that the Falcon is able to calculate a more direct route, therefore making for a shorter distance, and a "faster" ship.

Whatever you say, George.

 

I don't think anyone really knows.

All Wookieepedia has for canon is this:

"The Kessel Run was a hyperspace route used by smugglers and unscrupulous freighter captains to move spice from the spice mines of Kessel at the behest of the Pyke Syndicate, who relied on the foolhardy Kessel Runs to deliver the illicit substance to their customers. The route involves several extreme changes in velocity in order to jump to, and drop out of, light speed with the minimum time spent out of hyperspace while making drops, pick ups or tight turns. It was therefore the source of much bragging between smugglers. The time to peform the run proved too difficult to arbitrate (due to the highly relativistic distances involved) but a fierce competition developed nonetheless, for the pilot and ship able to make the run while covering the shortest overall distance demonstrating the most adept maneuverability and pilotage."

In older Legends material, is was suggested that the route passed by some Black holes or something, and that by flying closer to the blackholes, you could shorten the distance at the risk of being sucked in, although that doesn't really fit the current scientific theory of black holes.

In the fourth draft of ANH, it's actually implied that Han Solo is talking nonsense to make himself sound better:

And in the novelisation of the film, Han actually says "standard time units" instead of "parsecs."