There is a genuine backlash building against The Last Jedi

What does this have to do with a scientific vs. unscientific poll? Basically you're anti-science just because it confirms your opinion. It's a weird choice, but it's the choice you're making.

 

If we got a barrage of tens for TLJ and the critics thing was like 98%, I'd call out the fanboys. But sadly we have a negative band of trolls doing the same thing. With a guy boasting how and why, the horror! The horror!

 

Honestly, I don't pay attention to those poll numbers. I go on my on opinion. It up to me if I like it. Everyone else can hate it but I like what I like. We just have to remember these polls are not are not the definitive word on how the movie was. Many are legitimate votes. But anyone can vote whether they have seen the film or not. Many just on band wagons to vote. Many vote more than once. Many don't leave their head cannon at the door. Many get upset because it doesn't match their beloved theory and what they wanted to see. So for me, I don't pay much attention to them.

 

You clearly like acting condescending, puting """""s around source of truth? Drudge report doesn't report on anything it just links news articles from other agencies. You might want to do at least 5 seconds of research before you act all sanctimonious.

 

Was the sarcasm necessary? I think a normal response would have been enough.

 

From Deadline:http://deadline.com/2017/12/last-je...efron-greatest-showman-box-office-1202230784/
"In addition, Last Jedi remains the top-ticket seller and carries a domestic gross to date of $278.8M, pacing 23% behind Force Awakens at the same point in time. A final domestic haul north of $700M is the current prediction. Industry estimates believe that over the six-day Wednesday-through-Christmas run that The Last Jedi will mint $110M, which will take its running domestic total to $371.8M.

Slowing down numbers this week is the fact there aren’t as many kids out of school as a year ago, read 17% K-12 were off on Wednesday versus 38% last year."

The guy has been called out before for missing several factors that contributed to lower box office take:
1)Less children out of school than TFA first week=lower audience numbers out, since schools shut next week. Children will flood cinemas on the weekend. TFA opened on that school shut week.
2)ignoring weekend numbers-he's made a point of ignoring the high point of the box office in favour of a day by day approach. Wednesday is also one of its lowest point, middle of the week. Missing out that the BO is fickle and projections change all the time.
3)TLJ isn't that far behind TFA overall-he cited a 57% contrast on one day, when overall it's only 23%. It's still way too early to say TLJ is failing thanks to the BO.

 

Update on the Greek Fan Club poll:

LIKED: 328
HATED: 64
NEUTRAL: 30

 

Scientific? None of these polls are scientific. Re-read what you wrote. You made my point. You are picking the polls to support something. I have picked none.

I agree with all of this except the head canon part. Straw man argument.

 

Are you saying that good movies will have humongous BO returns? If that's the case this year's well acclaimed Blade Runner 2049 performed poorly at BO. There are a lot of factors that contribute to enormous BO returns. For sure Star Wars films will play at maximum number of screens with maximum shows than other movies.

Disney executives have some kind of an agreement with theatre owners to show TLJ in their main screens and TLJ must be screened for 4 weeks. On top of this 65% of the ticket sales revenue for 4 weeks directly goes to Disney's pocket irrespective of whether TLJ plays to full house or not. A paltry of 35% is what theatre owners gets to keep from ticket sales revenue.

If this how Disney force chokes, then hell yeah they will easily cross 500 mil USD within a week.

All these BO returns and critics review are deceiving. Note, I am not saying that Star Wars TLJ is a good or bad film, but it's up to the people to decide and they have given their verdict. All I am trying to say is that it's impossible to judge a film purely based on it's BO returns.

 

Absolutely correct. I'm a progressive, too, and I have no interest in seeing this movie again. Left reviews on IMDB and RT--going to hit Metacritic later.

 

How "good" a movie is is subjective to each viewer. I'm saying that sustained high numbers at the BO would certainly imply that the movie is popular and people are willing to spend their money going to the theatre to see it. On the flip side, if the numbers drop significantly, wouldn't that signal that the general audience isn't receiving it well? I didn't know about Disney's deal with theatres either.

 

Sorrry, wrong film.

 

The fact that there were low score reviews of TLJ in other movies like Coco and Shape of Water suggests that bots played some part in it. But it doesn't really need bots.

Do you remember why EA was choosen in 2012 as the worst company in US? When it's only competitor was bank which caused world financial crisis? All of it was because of backlash after horrible ending of Mass Effect 3 game. Look at difference between critics score and user score. Does it look familiar? http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3
Also there is no middle ground, either people liked it or spammed it with 1/10 reviews: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3/user-reviews
Angry fanboys started to flood every game rating site only and only to give it the lowest rating possible and bring it down. I know it very well, because... I was one of them, even if now I am ashamed of it. Before that, I never rated any game. Ever. I never even discussed games at forums. But after that ending I was in a nerd rage, I wanted to inform a whole world how I hated it and why everybody else should hate it. And when I saw all of those 9/10, 10/10 reviews and Game Of The Year awards it only made it worse. I'm not even from US, I'm from Europe, and I still voted for EA as the worst company. I hated it and I wanted everybody else to hate it too.

After all those years I still hate this ending... but this game is one of my favourite games in history of gaming. It took my over a year to calm down, give it a second chance and since then I love it, and just ignore the ending. So there is that. Never underestimate the power of hate from fandom.

 

The cinemascore is a scientific survey of people who have paid to see the film. Deadline had listed other scientific surveys as well.

It's clear that explaining logic to you is a waste of my time. Ignoring you will be easy.

 

Not just ME:3. But practically any slightly controversial/fanbase splitting media product.

 

I respect that people disliked it, i get that many had problems with the pacing, Luke's character Snoke, Rey or Porgs, anything is fine, an opinion is an opinion, and no one is wrong. But I have to ask this question here as well.

Before this whole backlash-thing, did anyone really care about the audience score on rotten tomatoes? I use RT alot to see how the tomatometers and average scores are before/after I see movies (usually after so I can make up my mind first), but user score has never been a factor I have cared about. I do care in this case, because it's so low and that's interesting, not trying to discredit the score. Just curious.

 

I think this is a nice video:

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Exactly, that is the best example. ME3 was an absolute jewel but downvoted just because of a 5 minute ending.

 

They only care because it’s convenient to back up their points.

If it was positive or 60%+, it wouldn’t have been mentioned at all. Guaranteed.

I bet if ESB had review sites in its day, the same thing would’ve happened.

 

Using the same criteria as Rotten Tomatoes for Audience Score of "Liked the movie" i.e. 3.5/5 or higher....

Applying to IMDB, which would be 7/10 on their scale...

74.1% "Liked" of 170,926 votes...

with 60.3% giving an 8/10 or higher....

WIth 7-10 being "Liked" = 126,636

With 1-4 being "Hated" = 22,185