THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

There are many who will not remember it that way at all.

 

I have serious doubts JJ can save this mess. Sadly.

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so true, I cannot like this post enough.

 

All they had to do was have Leia go to Achto instead of Rey. The scenes between Leia and Luke would have been powerful. They could have found a way through the force just like Snoke did to communicate with Kylo. That would have been more memorable for a good reason than what we were given between Kylo and Rey. Rey and Finn should have stayed together, because they were the best past about TFA. Have Maz send them some place where someone who has information on the children the FO takes. Give these two characters real reasons to join the Resistance instead of it being the right thing to do.

 

I can't agree enough with this post! I would have loved to have seen Rey traveling with Luke. Heck, I would have loved to have seen Rey being trained by Luke, which is what I thought we would get. Oops, there I go again with my CRAZY expectations!! Mark does look really good and seems like he got in shape, would it have killed them to let him have a real duel? Instead we got that stupid force projection Luke dodging Kylo's saber. Ridiculous. What a waste of an iconic character.

P.S. My brother and his family were on a Disney cruise a couple of weeks ago. They have a really awesome Star Wars kids' section where they bring out characters and do skits, etc. Apparently, one of the staff members was dressed as a jedi and told the group of kids that "The jedi have to train for years with their master to learn about the force." Hmmm.... My brother said he was tempted to pipe up and ask about Rey and her mastery of the force with NO training.

 

He should have. Disney needs to continually be called on their decisions by the fan base.

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Unfortunately, I have a feeling he will ignore significant aspects to a degree. It is sad that he will likely feel compelled to do so.

It is clear that having separate writers and directors is not a successful model for a trilogy. There is a clear loss of continuity and the egos of those involved clearly force them into making creative decisions that are "unexpected" and/or "random" just for the effect of being "different."

 

I love how people think they know what CT wanted based off a single piece of speculation on Reddit. CT wanted something changed. That could be anything, but most likely it was Leia's fate. People may not like Luke dying, but it has very little effect on his supporting role. Luke would be a supporting character in the next film regardless of his fate in TLJ.

I get the sense that some people thought we'd see warrior Luke in this trilogy. That ship sailed a long time ago. This isn't his story.

 

hilarious but yet true. Fantastic post.

 

I like this.
My first thought was that a duel between Luke and young Ben wouldn't last very long - Ben (to his credit) made the first attack because he probably would be beaten otherwise although who knows.

But on second thought the drama could be amazing if the more powerful opponent was fighting without intent to kill and some exposition dialogue could be great.

I sometimes wonder if the lack of detail in exposition or backstory is to evoke ANH vagueness or to leave juicy bits to the next director or storyteller.
If it's the latter it does seem like the follow up writers haven't really delved too deeply into the spaces left by previous writers - yet.
Is it a missed opportunity? Maybe. I guess they have reasons but I wonder what they are.

Yeah, Warrior Luke doesn't sound like Jedi Luke (to me) although a Jedi's place in a galaxy at war if always a dilemma.

He has always been prone to acting first and thinking later though.
Maybe after igniting the green he tries a thinking only and acting never tactic!
Despite rushing into things he has, up until the ST, generally had a track record of success when he trusts his instincts.

It's not his story anymore yet we still got an arc for him.
Sure some of it involves steps backward into similar weaknesses he's struggled with in the past and I get why some people think he should be over them.
It works for me I guess because I read a theme of Echoes From the Past and Future in all SW but particularly the ST.

Luke's journey was always about tests and he needs to fail some for it to mean anything.

 

Only true according to some. Not true at all in a general sense.

 

Watched a few scenes from tfa today as its on netflix and man it just hammers home how terrible tlj really is. Im not sure it could actually be much worse.
Disney would be just as well to strike it from canon or have it as a bad dream by finn or something. Its truly shocking this is where we are. Colin trevorrow was right, Disney has totally disregarded the longstanding fanbase in order to support these new characters. Its disgusting.

 

I don't hate TLJ so I might not be writing in the right thread here but I think the movie is only mediocre. I did a little "experiment" and had some pretty interesting search results with the google auto fill in algorythm (which is based on the most frequent search results)

 

How about this. In TFA when Finn said it was the right thing to do. Poe saw right through it, and realized he needed a pilot. How come the reasons Rey and Finn are helping the Resistance are because It's the so called right thing to do?

 

@Corn Cream yes. Among the many problems I may have with TLJ why Rey
and Finn fight with the FO is not one of them.
Rebellions and Resistace movements are built on hope, sure.
But also by people that simply believe that is the right
thing to do. You couldn’t explain entire pages of (real) history without that...

And I would say that about Finn my problem is quite the opposite.
I think Ep. 7 was enough to make of him someone committed to the fight
regardless Rey. Also... you know... a little touch of symbolism...
Coma = spiritual death = you wake up as a new man.
You missed the chance to use that trope.
But more importantly you missed the chance to test the character elseway
and to allow a deeper character growth.

@DailyPlunge I agree. Finally
But I’d say... it’s not only because this is Rey’s story, or not only.
I personally think that... I want to remember young Luke/Mark dueling.
I fear that a scene of a “proper” duel between him and Driver/Kylo
would have made Mark/Luke look... old and maybe ridicule.
I mean... in this cases I think less is best.
You may use all the cgi and whatever you want... but... hum.
The risk is still there.

About CT again I think you’re right.
I don’t think the problem was that he wanted Luke alive and sure not Snoke.
Or I hope so. Because as long as I haven’t loved TLJ to resuscitate them
would make the movie even worst. A total joke and an immense waste of time.
I think JJ’s task is to work on what he’s been given and to give a purpose,
a compelling sense to these choices. And that was CT’s task as well.

That said... I really think there’s something interesting we don’t know about about
the all process. I starting to think that everyone is telling the truth.
There was a plan but there wasn’t, it’s not = they were free to connect the dots as they want to.

 

I 100% agree with you it’s not Luke’s story so why change his arc that much in Episode 8? Why even mess with the OT characters in that respect when you have these great new characters that resonated with most of the fans in TFA?

While I love the OT, I didn’t want to see the return of Luke, Leia and Han except in a cameo role in Episode 7 to pass the torch to Rey & co.

Once you mess with an iconic character, it’s just natural that some fans will love it and some fans will hate it. But if you make this Trilogy truly about the new characters and throw us a bone with a cameo of Luke, Leia and Han to pass the torch to their offspring, then Disney could have had their cake and eat it too. Now we have Episode 8 which will divide fans forever because the arc of Luke is either loved or hated and is now a shadow over the film.

 

I have a problem with it. Realistically, most people would not join the Resistance because of it being the right thing to do. People look out for themselves, and their interests first. That's realistic. There are no tangible reasons for them to help the Resistance. They are like Han Solo. There is nothing in it for them.

What do Rey and Finn gain by fighting for the Resistance? What changes in their lives?

Would you put your life on the line for a bunch of strangers first, or would you at least try to figure out where you come from?

 

Ask to polish, french or italian civilians that fought the nazi and the fascists.
To those who did that even before the wwii.
People, thankfully, did that because it was the right thing to do not only for personal reasons.

 

People hated when Han didn't shoot first, let alone what they did to Luke and to a lesser extent Han in TFA and Leia in TLJ. South Park built an entire episode around what Spielberg and Lucas did with Indiana Jones in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. The Luke...Jake Skywalker character is beyond that.

 

They didn't do it because it was the right thing to do. They did it, because they invaded Poland. The Germans also had Italy on lock downl. They fought back just like all people fight back. They were in their back yard. Most people do not get involved until they have no other choice. That's realistic.

 

I didn't Hate The Last Jedi. I had a million problems with it that I'm sure have already been said. I just wanted to bring another thing to the table. While watching the end of TLJ I thought it seemed really familiar. So I decided to make a comparison video of The Last Jedi and the 1997 film Escape From LA. I call it "Escape from TLJ" I think you'll see many similarities.

See link on my Profile Page

 

I've read a lot of dudes with much cinema knowledge than me and this happens in many other scenes of this movie. Copy and paste from "not so famed other movies".

Snoke cut in half is coming from an amateur fan fiction from 2002, the scenes of space fights from some WWII movies etc ...

It would be interesting to detail all this but infortunately I didn't write all this down.