THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

So I guess you didn't participate in all the Snoke's thread during 2 years ?

The point with Palps isn't good and you know it.

At that moment, he didn't need any background because there WASN'T any background but as soon that the story went deeper and that the canon was written and the background established the rules changed because M.Big threat was alive when Palps went down and when Vader was here so they would knew about Snoke, he was there, somewhere in the galaxy and some people wants to know.

Don't pretend it is pointless.

 

Sure I did. It was fun. But I don't make asinine complaints that it ended up being just what it was.

Words often fail. As they fail me now. I'm speechless. Just speechless.

 

Maybe you are confortable with shallow lazy stories of superheroes of the Force and that's your choice.

But some people were expecting more after two years to wait for this.

 

that's the main point. They could have done some spin-offs first with random superhero like characters from the Star Wars universe before touching and elaborating the holy Skywalker saga.

 

Careful now, you will be publically banished to that poster's blocked list just like myself and a few others who made "outrageous" statement that we wouldn't support Rian Johnson's work after TLJ. He was dumfounded and speechless after seeing those comments too.

 

I too would like to know about the "meltdown" on a "certain forum". I tried TFN JCF, didn't find anything, but only because I looked at the Fanfic and the Communication section only.

Link? Are we allowed to link to other forums?

I hate TLJ because it killed Luke after character assassination of Luke, Leia, and Yoda (An oscar nomineed in special effect movie can't do Force ghost justice). Ironically, after TFA, I thought Rey was great, (Maybe a Skywalker or a fresh breath of "someone else who would have the Force beside Skywalker"). But after TLJ, I hate her guts. So much hatred.

Even more ironically, I guess, is that in my thoughts, the way for Rey to stop being a Mary Sue is for her to embrace Reylo and become a Dark Lord, ruling beside Kylo Ren at the end of IX. If this come to pass, I think I would at least "respect" her.

P.S. Yes, I will forever think and say "Mary Sue" in regarding to characters like Rey as written at this time (April 3, 2018). There is no amount of "persuasion" that will convince me to regard her as "pet character" or whatever else to satisfy other people's whims.

 

Huh? You mean their April Fools Day joke

 

If that was what it was, then yeah, it was pretty funny, to be honest.
For someone who doesn't know, the joke was that at the TFN JCF, their entire Star Wars Fanfiction section was now the West Wing Fanfiction Section.

 

I wonder if The Last Jedi was really SpaceBalls 2 Rian Johnson took some ideas from Space Balls and put it in The Last Jedi

 

I am totally with you on the Mary Sue issue. I have serious doubts whether Ep. 9 will do anything to fix that and she'll continue to be an all powerful wonder girl. I honestly can't see any scenario where she embraces the darkness. She has shown absolutely no interest in going dark and she rejected Kylo, walked away from him and gave him the world's nastiest look when she ended their connection. I doubt they will go there in the last movie of this trilogy, but maybe I'll be surprised. In the PT, you clearly saw Anakin embracing elements of the dark side by the middle chapter. I see none of that with Rey so it wouldn't make sense (not that they care about making sense!).

LMAO! There you go, the space parking police idea was indeed stolen from Space Balls. Way to go Rian!

 

I wasn't after ep VII but after this one, it is difficult to argue against Mary Sue, some people even told me she wasn't a jedi but a superhero.

I'm afraid we see Captain Tattoine in ep IX.

 

I believe that we'll see Captain Jakku in Ep. IX. She'll be a main character in Disney's inevitable Star Wars/Avengers crossover film.

There was a case for Rey being a Mary Sue after TFA, but I never called her that because I figured that there was going to be a reasonable explanation for her speedy mastery of the force. If she wasn't part of the Skywalker family, I thought maybe she was a student at Luke's Jedi academy and had some training. Guess not, unless something changes in Ep. IX. For now, she's a definite Mary Sue.

 

It seems like Ep. 9 is a big, blank slate. Wonder what JJ's hook will be in luring people back? I've never in all my years been so turned off by a film. Never did I think it would be a Star Wars one.

 

Ret conning out so much of Rian Johnson's nonsense.

 

I vote some sort of extra galactic invasion.
Invasion attractiveness for Darth Mu
Something new, but definitely extragalactic, yet non marvel crossover evil > Abeloth avatars > Yuuzhan Vong > Killiks > Yevetha (not extragalactic, but still)

 

I didn't think Rey was a Mary Sue in TFA, I understood the case for it, but she was incapacitated twice during the film. I thought, hell we all thought, that the questions in TFA were set up to be answered. TLJ basically undercut every argument I made for Rey not being a Mary Sue in TFA. What I have heard in a couple of youtube videos (the links of which I cannot find right now) was that Rey's speed Power Up was due to her basically downloading Kylo's knowledge during his attempted mind probe.

Implausible? Meh, I mean it's Star Wars, you kinda have to suspend some disbelief, and I think it's ok to add new aspects to the Force as long as they are thoughtful and take all due consideration to existing canon. I mean, no one complains about Kylo freezing a blaster bolt in mid flight, and we'd never seen that before. So I could go with the Force Download if:

1. They had actually acknowledged that it happened in-movie
2. Instead of wasting Rey's screen time with Luke trying to jump start his Jedi-engine, we had had Luke explaining these new phenomena in movie (which he could have learned through his studies of old text and his status as a Master) and alluding to some we hadn't seen (so we'd have something to look forward to in coming movies). Force Projection, Force Skype, Energy Freeze, Force Download, Luke could have voice tracked that there were a whole range of abilities the Jedi and Sith never used which would have tacitly explained the new phenomena.

Instead we got what we got. That Rian is a genius I tell ya'.

 

I'm with you and Mu about super-powered Rey when it comes to The Force.
Maybe I'm being too naive or charitable but I wouldn't be surprised if there's more to know here than the light's rapid ascent to meet the dark!

I wouldn't bet on Rey embracing the dark either although I could see her and Kylo informing each others Force use.
I do think TLJ purposely allowed room for ambiguity when it comes to Rey and the dark side.

Anger ... aggression.
The dark side of the Force are they.

 

Fair points on Rey, but I still don't think that any of it indicates that she'll go dark side. She seemed concerned that Luke told her she went for the darkness, but she didn't become more curious about it and start experimenting in the darkness. If she did that, then yes, I would think there was a possibility that she would turn. And I think any of us would become aggressive if red guard dudes were coming at us with weapons! She had her big chance to go dark and rule the galaxy when Darth Emo offered and she rejected it. I agree that they left things ambiguous with Rey on A LOT of things. Leaving so much ambiguous after the second chapter in a trilogy was a mistake. We should have some idea of where things are going here and I don't think we do. They could go a million different ways with this story and these characters after TLJ. It seemed after the second chapter of the OT and PT you had some sort of idea of who these characters are and how things would end. I don't feel like we're at that point with this trilogy.

 

it's worth noting that it wasn't just two years, i mean to be honest im 33 and i can't remember a time when i wasn't looking forward to this trilogy.

I completely understand Rian Johnson wanted to to put his own stamp on the series and that took a lot of balls, it also unfair to put decades of speculation and pressure on the guy, but the bottom line is if you are going to intentionally try to subvert expectations to the level Rian Johnson did, and in many ways go against what a lot of fans wanted to see and what was set up for him in episode 7, then you have to come out with something pretty spectacular!

I don't feel really feel Johnson did this, (obviously many fans do though). It honestly feels like he sat down and went right i'm gonna shock audiences and that's what he built the film around, and that film just wasn't strong enough to carry those shocks, it's full jarring moments, weak plot points and terrible attempts and humour thats a mixture of spoof comedy and the droid comedy from the prequels.

 

The Last Jedi made Rey into a boring, naive and stuck up nobody.. with no flaws except for naivety and borderline personality disorder.

Such a relatable character.. it was really worth losing Han and Luke for this.