THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

Please see the diagram I posted to.Its from same page of Wall Street Journal.
Continuous drop od Disney shares, so much that Wall Street Journal have placed it on a page as a sticker with a comment.This is the cause of their reaction.
Wall Street Journal never reacts on films,this is not their interest, they react on desturbances on the market.

They don't care is it because of TLJ's subveriosion of almost every possible expectation of fans with culmination in disrespect of Luke 's character, they only reacted on market situation because of obvious desturbance on Wall Street market shares of Disney, and pinpointed Star Wars desturbance as the cause of it, which is loss of interest for Star Wars because of how Disney treats"storied franchise".

In short Wall Street Yournal's delicate message to Diseny is this: Your story treatment of Star Wars franchise is such that you are destabilising shres on the market,we warn you !

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Spoiler

If only we could know Is Rey Luke's daughter. In this case I will buy cheaper Disney shares now for as much money I have.If she stays nobody everybody run away from Disney shares !...

 

Unfortunately I forgot this is a Star Wars fan forum, and members are not attuned to market shares vocabulary.
Its called perceptual tendency, matherialised as shares market risk, on a daily basics its percevied from share holders as 11% risk loss of their interest in that moment.Thats why there are 2 forms of representing -0.11 and ( -0.11%)

Ok, to complicated I know.

Its decline, drop, lost of interest.
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There is risk Rey's parents are nobody

 

Such is a thin line between everlasting glory and disaster.

It all depends is this on a picture shortsighted SJW parole of nobody (still however exploiting Skywalker lightsaber in attempt to steal credibility) one that will be cursed by millions ,until Star Wars will be no more.

Or a Star Wars godess , a Skywalker that is weilding her own family lightsaber ,a fulfilment of all that Star Wars ever was, a legend that will be worshiped by millions forever and bring to Disney what they dreamed about.

 

No, my comment simply points out the fact the film made bank, more than any other film for the entire year.

Meaning it's not a flop, not a disaster and films like TLJ work, while clearly films like Solo do not.

And no, it's not "up to interpretation", opinions mean nothing with franchises like this, at least the only opinions that matter are the one's expressed in money. The market reacted well to TLJ, period, fact. It thrived at the box office, won the entire year. You can point to a week here and there, "could have been better", but that's minutia when the film is profitable.

The narrative of the thread is "for fans who hated", but it is not, "because TLJ was a flop and needs to be fixed." It doesn't need to be fixed. If anything it signaled the brand is still quite healthy.

Solo is the disaster, if you want to preach poor management and apocalypse for the brand, this is the film to harp about. That film, has major issues and it's sloppy production and management is something fans should question.

The theories that because Snoke was killed and Luke didn't kick ass like Batman is the reason why TLJ flopped are a lie. They are a lie because the film DID NOT FLOP. It was a success.

Also facts require analysis, not interpretation, you don't get to inflict your opinion onto facts, particularly when you cherry pick something and ignore the significant KPI. That's jut bad data analysis. Real bad.

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Dumbest post of the week? It gets my vote.

Dude, the trope that is SJW that "killed Star Wars" is just an adolescent troll farm reflection, tied to the idea that somehow social justice is evil. It's just a dumb culture war on twitter and has no bearing on the business of making money with a film franchise. Nothing. People screaming about GamerGate are not the core concern when banking, producing and then distributing a film. Stop pretending that your flame war on Reddit is the center of the universe. It's just bots, sock puppets and lonely people trying to scream into a voice and pretending it matters.

Here's what matters and it has nothing to do with social justice and everything to do with business. Money. TLJ made bank. It was the most successful film of 2017. Period. Share holders were happy and fans shelled out to see it, big time. It was a winner. This is fact. Deal with it, or forever be mocked by those of us who live in the land of facts and the real world.

"Star Wars is dying because kids, bots and sock-puppets on twitter post hashtags a lot," is the dumbest theory ever.

 

I don't know why some people are getting there pretending that the movie was a full success, everybody loves it and that they're thrilled for the next trilogy.

I guess they are more trying to convince themselves.

I even got a trolling rating for citing Rose Tico and people are still coming here to say we're rude ...

How cynical.

 

Don't know if any of you know about this, if it's old news I apologize. I was going through this guys youtube videos and he has a really cool take on TLJ, he's re-cutting the entire film. I really like his ending, not that Luke HAD to stay alive, but I think this cut is just much more powerful, check it out!

 

I just did an experiment. I went back and looked at the main teasers and trailers for TFA and TLJ

I have said once before that one thing that has improved in SW under Disney is the power of the trailers and teasers. Quite frankly, there is almost nothing in terms of a teaser and trailer that compares to TFA's (even now). So I don't even attribute it to "absence making the heart more fond". TFA's trailers are magical. Even knowing the story now, watching the teasers and the trailers made me feel like I was about to go on a NEW magical ride similar to the OT, with an adventure in front of us and a galaxy to further explore. The music pairs flawlessly with each teaser and trailer for TFA, I had chills watching each for the first time and I couldn't wait to see the new SW.

And then I watched the TLJ trailers. And I don't know why I'm just noticing this now, but it's not the same magic (then or now). Visually and audibly they are still a cut above the old SW trailers (and most other movies for that matter), but there was no magic. Instead there is a build up and it feels like it's going to be something incredible and ends with WTF (i.e. time for the Jedi to end) and WTH (I need someone to show me my place in all this). I wonder if I should have known then that there was going to be a problem or did I just chalk it up to this being the 2nd installment and so there would no magic in the trailer and since the movie was reportedly darker maybe they were trying to go with disturbing rather than exciting. In hindsight I think it was just truth in advertising. The same way I feel the teaser and trailer were visually beautiful but mostly unsettling and unsatisfying, I felt about the actual movie.

I think I'm going to pay a lot more attention to the themes in the trailers even though the writers and directors don't actually create them.

 

I know the Finn fans weren't impressed with the trailers. Finn fans were not caught up into him fighting Phasma, and I remember some of them on twitter telling Rian I hope you got something better than this.
You are right though about TFA. I watched those trailers plenty of times, and I always walked away with a smile. Not so with the last jedi. As a matter of fact. Once I saw Kylo's hands reaching out I knew I wasn't going to the movies to watch it.

 

Before I saw TLJ, I thought maybe Rian was being crazy like a fox, playing down Finn's role in the trailers only to pop the cork on something special in the movie (and I don't mean FS I mean just coming into his own as his own action hero). I actually said several times that I was certain that the Finn Phasma fight was going to be the most visually stunning and incredible ever to compensate for the fact that it was Finn facing off against the criminally underused and under-developed Phasma. I was wrong. It was a 2 liter of flat soda which I still see people on other boards away from the Cantina praising today (I saw someone refer to it as bad a$$ - and all I could think was, "you saw the throne room fight and you think the Finn Phasma fight was bad a$$"?)

Things like that let me know which people to take serious in debates. If your perspective is calibrated to see the Finn Phasma fight as bad a$$ I assume everything else you believe about TLJ is similarly skewed.

 

I was shocked at the end product. Even more shocked to see how many people loved it. I think the worst of the infractions is that it just doesn't have the feel of a SW story. It used SW metadata but it just didn't feel like a SW story and it didn't work.

 

first - when asking my question I thought it´s clear I´ve seen the diagram. You said 11, the diagram said 0,11. That´s all. Perhaps one or another is mistaken....
Second - If Rey is Luke´s daughter, so strongly suggested in 7, 8 totally denies it. If Luke is anything worth a Jedi, he would know. Hell any of his three ghost friends would know Then the bin cuestion would be - Why she was left alone on a hostile planet in the hands of a not nice guy and why Luke or Yoda didn´t know or feel she´s a somebody? Short answer - because if she was somebady in 7, she was a nobody in 8, and if she´s again somebody in 9, no one will take this circus seriously anymore (not even the worshippers I dare to say)

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My friend, to say TLJ is a financial success could be seen from different angles. Did it pay itself? Yes. Did it make extra money? Yes. Was it almost 800 less than the previous episode? Yes. Did it fail in China? Yes. Did it damage the franchise and directly affected Solo and possibly the next movies? That´s also open to different views. I say TLJ wasn´t successful in terms of wider perspective, it definitely damaged the brand and reduced significantly its f´profit and will make Solo in -400 instead of + or even on zero.

 

I wanted to rationalize it at first, but when looking back at all the marketing I had to see it for what it was. Lord knows I wanted to be wrong.

Rian and his Reylo is the reason why TLJ wasn't a Star Wars movie. This next movie needs to be about showing people from different backgrounds working together equally. The fast and the furious at least tries to do it. I want to see the skills of everyone and how it can contribute to the story. Not just Rey and Kylo.

 

Its decline.Ok?Drop of Disney's shares.Can we accept this ?
Its usually result of insecurity in the future.

For instance insecurity because of company hiring dirrectors like mr. Rian Johnson which think its ultimate artistic acheivement to subvert every expecation of decades old fans and even make part of them to throw up their popcorns.

 

I also remember being unimpressed with the first teaser.

The only thing that seemed exciting was this moment (live reaction from SWC):

You can hear the crowd's reaction when they seemingly see Luke training Rey.

In retrospect, there was also this telling moment from the panel discussion:

 

The crowd was much more hyped for Kylo's reveal than "Luke training Rey".

2:40

 

Geez, after some many complains about "SJW agenda" you come in and complain about white people. Damn, this "fanbase" is unpleasable.
I am not bashing, I actually applaud Corn Cream's unique way of looking at TLJ.

 

You just can't please everyone can ya?