THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

I think we need to just let this thread and movie die now.

 

You do know that RJ quote is from 2003, right?

 

William Shakespeare finished writing Romeo and Juliet in 1595. Made no difference to Shakespeare's prerogative then and its 2018 now.

 

Folks, I’m having an epiphany.
I finally understand.

I am a liberal and a feminist. I actually support LGBT organizations.
My favorite novels are War and Peace ( that I’ve only read 4 times) and
Dostoevsky’s opera omnia, so I guess I can handle a deep and profound piece of art.
As an historian, I adore Elizabeth I.

Therefore... my problem with TLJ has to be... that I am blond.

I can’t relate to brunettes and a purple hair woman.

 

Unless RIan Johnson wrote TLJ in 2003, this is irrelevant. His views might have changed several times since then.

 

Again, you cherry pick. You also confuse two concepts, the first is "was the film a success?".

That first question's answer is obvious: YES, the film was a success, it made money, shareholders were happy, critics were happy and the film made profit which helped fun and augment the brand. Even toy manufacturers praised their success with the film.

Could Star Wars improve itself, refine itself and produce even better product moving forward? Of course, an iterative process will analyze and refine the product. That doesn't take away the valid point the film was a success. Agile management must deal with facts on the ground.

Also are we now blaming Solo's disaster on TLJ? Has the culture war gotten that stupid, that a film's poor box office is a reflection of the film before it?

Ridiculous.

We are all allowed to like and dislike what we choose with Star Wars, but blaming a successful film like TLJ for a flop like Solo is a new low. TLJ was the biggest grossing film of 2017, Solo is a flop that even Forbes is reporting will lose millions of dollars. These are facts.

SJWs ruined Star Wars is not a fact. It's a rather obtuse opinion based on the hatred of culture that's not identical to your own.

TLJ ruined Solo is not a fact. It's a contortion of opinion to support the narrative that it's some insidious Hollywood leftist agenda that's wrecking the brand. Ironically the more inclusive, diverse film walloped the more traditional patriarchal film that the box office.

Wake up.

TLJ worked, Solo did not. And if a film can't stand on its own and reap its own box office, that's a sign the film itself is weak, not the film that succeeded before it.

Some of you have a very, very hard time with reality and the hostility of all things slightly different of your own opinion, causes you to ignore facts and distort perception.

It's sad, because while TLJ was flawed, films like TLJ and returns like TLJ will keep the brand healthy for a very long time. Films like Solo will kill it.

Guess which one Disney is more likely to produce moving forward?

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War & Peace would have been the greatest novel of all-time if SJWs in 19th century Russia hadn't ruined it by demanding it demonstrate war as tragic and wasteful.

And Chuck Norris would be considered the greatest actor today and a far greater artist than Tolstoy if the SJW didn't control all media, the internet and secretly forged Barack's birth certificate.

Welcome to the world of "SJWs ruin Star Wars", a lazy intellectual space where you can blame your Mom and your ex-girlfriend for everything.

From one fellow blonde to another.

 

@Snazel

I seriously don’t understand. But I'll try to better explain myself, if that's the problem.

I agree this SJW thing is bs. Even more so, because it's something that makes sense
only in US, taking into account the political debate of that country.

But beside that, to me it’s pretty obvious that the problem is not that LF or KK have a political agenda.
In fact, I think there are a lot of movies (and the OT movies are among those) with a political agenda that are good movies.
Because that is not equal - per se - to bad writing/directing etc...

Therefore, I believe that those blaming the so called SJW are twice wrong.
First because of what said above.
Second, because if one points that as “the” problem and bad wrinting/whatever as a consequence
then he/she cannot be surprised if people dismiss his/her opinions calling him/her a sexist
or a racist. It’s not up to people listeaning to a slogan, to dig further into it to see if there’s
something more than that and furthermore something different than what may appear at first glance.

Just tell that Rey is a bad written character.
That you don’t like Luke’s arc.
That the resistance plot lacks of logic.
That Holdo lacks of logic.
That Rose was given of a bad story line.

If you think these are the problems.

But if you say the SJW agenda is the problem and all the latter (or others) the consequences, many
will only see and respond to your first statemet/slogan. And you have to blame no one but yourself.

If you make a big deal of the SJW, then many won’t even try to see
if you have legit, fair, critics.
Sometime because they genually think you don’t
sometimes they'll just take advantage of that bs.
And I think many did take advantage... but you put them in the high ground.

And in fact I was only trying to voice my personal frustration in the current situation.

I honestly have an hard time, just because I am all the things I’ve said I am
and I think I also have to “thank” the anti-SJWs for being silinced.
Not here, of course.
But it looks like people like me cannot help but love this movie.
And I don’t think that’s the case at all.

I said many times and I'll say it again that for instance, one of the problem I have with this movie
is not that Rey is a random, that she is not a Skywlaker or whatever. But that she's not the strong
female character I hoped her to be.
Because an amazing power doesn't make of her a strong female character but a comic book character. (and that's the second problem: I would have love to stay true to a monomyth kind of story)
Personality is what make of a female character a strong female character, regardless any kind of
"power".

I can go on, but it's pointless I think. the thread is still here for those who want to take a look.

However, in short I see people of every color, belief, etc... discussing this movie.
They do in every country.

Some like it, some don’t.

And it’s not even that only a genius may understand it.... because come on.
It’s not War and Peace, Crime and Punishment and not even Citizen Cane.

But everything seems just a fight between SJWs and their opponents.
And that's sad. Really sad and unfair.

 

Lol what? This is wrong. People have become so obsessed with Rian Johnson that they started digging up dirt on him. What's going to surface next? Someone will find excerpts from old local newspapers where he made a comment on The Phantom Menace and use them against him because he liked or disliked it? What are these people trying to achieve? Ridicule him in their eyes? But they already hate him. Make others change their mind on him? They won't, because will find such measures inappropriate.

 

basically at the heart of all star wars problems right now.

 

hello? hello? hello? hello? hello?

good to see this echo chamber is still in working condition!

 

With all due respect, you do a lot of that which you accuse others of doing with regards to cherry picking stats and imparting your opinion onto facts.

The Last Jedi made a big profit. That does not even remotely imply that everyone was happy with it, nor does it makes sense to assume that Solo is not suffering due to the number of people who disliked TLJ. These movies do not exist in a vacuum.

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Agreed. And E9's box office will be even more telling than Solo's. Let's hope JJ is able to repair the damage. He's a great filmmaker so I have a lot of faith he will.

 

I appreciated the editing. Good job.

 

Do you have any evidence that his views changed since then? Honest question: Has he ever retracted that statement or, at the very least ever said anything which indicates he no longer really feels that way? Or are you just hoping his views have changed with nothing to support the idea they have?

(Please see below where I clarify I don't even know for sure the quote is accurate)

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Whuh huh whuh??? How is a quote the guy made which discussed his entire filmmaking philosophy considered "digging up dirt"?

FWIW, I can't find any attribution for that quote so I am not 100% convinced as to its veracity (I'll do more research when I have more time). But if it is accurate, then I just don't see how it is considered digging up dirt. It's actually quite insightful as to how he approaches his craft.

 

That is a funny quote. Because actually the one who says it became completely mad confronted to his own past ( Luke and the falcon )a few moments later. So much for letting go !!

That sums up the movie very well, show one thing on screen and the exact opposite the next scene.

 

Crowd reaction is kind of telling. I don't think any Star Wars fan wanted that dynamic. If you were a casual fan or someone new to the franchise maybe you're indifferent. But to me that's exactly why I would make the story with the long time fans in mind, the casual fan would have been ok with anything, we wanted an actual SW story, not a derivative, alternative reality take on existing dynamics.

 

I see it´s hard for you to believe a lot of people didn´t go to see Solo because they were dissappointed by TLJ. And most of the audience reviews are positive. Let´s see if Disney sees the problem from the same perspective as you do and handle it that way, that TLJ is a great movie and everything shall continue its direction. That Solo´s fail is only because it´s a weak movie. Looking forward to discuss here Episode 9 next year.