THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

'they' have to come here? nobody is coming in 'their' thread?.

why does it have to be 'us' and 'them'?
if a member posts something that is rude and disrespectful (no matter what they think of TLJ) - then that member stands alone and has been rude/disrespectful. putting them in a group somehow makes them less culpable... don't give them that. report their ass or ignore them.. do literally anything but argue with them lol


@Bandini all the action is happening in this thread because, well.. it's the place where it's all happening. I hope i didn't offend you my friend.. which is the point of all my posts. we all need to stop offending one another.

The other threads you mention.. i don't like any of them. I'd delete them if i had a button to do so, but that won't fix anything. only talking will make things better.

 

This is a pretty wild characterization i.e. that I NEED to be right. Let me turn that around. Why do you NEED to post in the "thread for people who hate the movie"? Why do you NEED to debate the opinions of people who don't like the movie? Are those fair characterizations as to why you're in this thread? That you are being driven by a NEED? Or maybe you're just expressing your opinion... like everyone else in this thread... even the ones with a different view of TLJ than you?

Solo did not meet projections. Fact. TLJ came in below projections according to Forbes. Fact. Fans stated that SOLO was outpacing BP in ticket sales. Fact. People on this site have attempted to defend the quality of the movie and the mood of the fans with box office sales. Fact. If these are inconvenient to your desired narrative so be it, but I am not merely just expressing opinion. You're going to have to be more nuanced than just slapping generalizations on my posts if you actually want to debate the issues.

I think what I did was ask a question, not make a declaration. I'll pose the question yet again for those who continue to suggest that there has not been nor will there be a down stream effect on SW movies due to dissatisfaction with TLJ, "are you ready to reconsider?" That's not a demand or even a request, it's a question.

You're ok with the fact that lots of people didn't like the movie ...

...but you are here questioning their motivations when they don't? Not sure if that logic closes.

 

The TLJ-supporters saw Solo's high advance ticket sales as validation of their opinions that everything is A-OK with Star Wars and TLJ won't hurt the franchise one bit. There was open gloating and glee, including quotes along the lines of "It doesn't appear that boycott threats are having an effect."

But then Solo tanked. A week later it tanked even harder. These exact same people are the ones who steadfastly deny that TLJ-backlash has any effect whatsoever on Solo's box office. For some incomprehensible reason, they insist that a casual viewer who dislikes a movie will not use that dislike as a deciding factor regarding whether or not to see the next movie from the same franchise.

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If you're ok with that, then why are you in this thread? What did you expect to find in a thread entitled "THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE"..? You are clearly in the pro-TLJ camp. The very fact that you are participating in the "HATED IT" thread shows you have your desire to "be right" and argue the point.

Please note I am not saying you don't have the right to post in this thread and join the conversation, especially since you are doing so in a polite, respectful fashion. It's just seems you're not as "ok with that" as you claim.

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The action is happening in this thread because so many of the pro-TLJ people came into this thread to argue with the anti-TLJ people. That's just the way it is.

There are 2 threads which, by their very titles, are polar opposites: A thread for those who loved the movie and a thread for those who hated the movie. Overwhelmingly, the anti-TLJ people have stayed out of the "Loved it" thread. Please note I am not saying there aren't any anti-TLJ posts in there whatsoever, but there are very few.

However, for some reason, a sizeable number of pro-TLJ people (including yourself) couldn't (can't) stay away from making post after post after post in the "hated it" thread. It is clear you enjoy debating the matter

 

Let's talk about KK for a second. Is she part of the problem? Perhaps, how much so who knows? I mean, TFA happened under her watch and so did R1 and most people regard those as solid SW movies. I'd argue despite the Solo numbers that Solo is a solid SW movie. So if we are assigning blame and credit to KK alone, she's 3 out of 4. That's not bad. I don't think I can overstate how bad I think TLJ was and so she and JJ have some ownership in it. But this was Rian's baby, I give him the lionshare of the credit for the parts of the movie that work (the visuals) and the things that don't work (everything else).

If she gets fired I won't lose any sleep over it, but I won't lose any sleep if she remains either. Because who's to say, if she leaves, that her replacement would be better? I don't get the talk about female characters being a problem, female characters are EVERYWERE in the comic books and video games, it's only really new on the Big Screen. It's par for the course everywhere else, and if GL had held on to SW, he was eventually going to make a movie with a female lead. You can make an argument about the execution and supporting characters, but I still put that at Rian's feet moreso than anyone else.

Now if KK decides to keep Rian on for the new trilogy then she would be more a problem to me. She didn't write, direct, or edit TLJ. But seeing the intensity with which many fans didn't like TLJ, maybe go with different writers and directors (there are others).

So this is going to sound weird coming from me, but... I don't think fans that liked it are required to extend a gracious hand to those of us who didn't like it. I don't feel like they're obliged to explain why they like it, or listen to people who didn't (and vice versa). But... if you choose to engage you need to understand that if you establish a disrespectful tone, you have no basis to require that responses not offend you. If you can take as well as you give, there's no harm and no foul (IMO) to throw a few elbows every now and then. Or if that's not your thing, it's cool to just have a conversation and make your point and allow others to make theirs.

 

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....-star-wars-fans-about-kelly-marie-tran.54973/

This thread is supposing that some of the people in this thread are nazis and harrassed the actress ...

You're right. It used to be a better place.

 

@Rayjefury i'm not going to quote all your replies and answer them separately. i am at the end of my day here, and i'm on iphone from this point.. i cant be writing long posts.

i'll include @Wolfpack too, as i've just read a similar comment about why i'm in this thread..

my singular motivation is to stop the Cantina turning into a sh!t show.. which is (in my opinion) what will happen if people continue to sit in their own private rooms slagging of the 'other side' or try to pull people into their private room - their way of thinking.

it has nothing to do with how i felt about TLJ or how any of you felt about TLJ.

i want you guys to post about how you feel about the movies in any/all appropriate threads with everyone else.. not privately in here. and yeah.. i'm not stupid, i know that quite probably there would be arguments all over the place. i'd prefer we tackle that if it happens.

i want the fairy tale.. good debates and nobody fearful of their opinion.

i don't see that it references this thread.. but i reported it anyway. it's not right.

the abuse KMT received was awful.. but creating that thread isn't right. people just aren't thinking before they post stuff.

 

I was always thinking that whatever RJ did with TLJ, there was somebody above him who said yes, I give you the blanc page to do whatever you want, yes, this script is great, I approve it, yes, this final product goes to the theaters. And I dare to say it was probably KK and also Bob Iger and others from Disney. But she is the one responsable to choose a director, approve the story and the final movie before deliver it to Disney. Rian is just her employee. Am I wrong???

 

I absolutely agree but there are no nazis on this thread.

Some people are crazy and nobody on this thread is crazy.

To be clear the fact that the character of Rose Tico is awful has nothing to do with the actress.

 

Wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of people who directly harass actresses for characters they were hired to play in a fantasy movie. If you weren't involved in this then why are you scared that I raise the issue?

My thread was directly addressed to those fans who attack the movies and actors because of their race and gender and rightly deserve the nazi title. Let's be clear.

 

Aww, that's sad. I'm indifferent to Rose, but Kelly seems like a sweetheart. It's too bad that some can't separate the actress from the character.

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Um, perhaps I'm reading this wrong, but are you assuming that those of us who post in here about disliking TLJ are harassing the actors online? I have not and would not do that and I'm guessing most of us wouldn't.

 

No i didnt say that at all. I'm specifically talking about people who have directly harassed KMT because of her roll as Rose in TLJ. I think we all agree you can criticize the movie all you want and still be respectful to people.

I don't assume any of you have done this. But just in case they are here, reading this... GET SOME HELP!

 

Regarding why Tran deleted her instagram:
All this is speculation. She did not give a statement about why she did it (delete instagram).
Could it be possible that harassment was the reason? Yes. Could it be possible that she just didn't like instagram? yes. Maybe her account was hacked? Yes.

Edit:
I agree that just because someone doesn't like a fictional character is no reason to attack the actor/actress.

 

Yes, of course. But trying to accuse people from this forum to do so is a totally different case.

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Dude, you have to stop, there is no such people here.

 

Buddy, get over yourself. I never accused anyone. This is a popular star wars message board and even though there's a good chance some of the harassers are members here, I shouldn't be faulted for raising the issue.

 

Almost by accident today I stumbed on the old petition : Have Disney strike Star Wars Episode VIII from the official Canon.

To my surprise its still active, by now some 106 000 people signed.

https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-d...tar-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon

lol

 

We are polithical idealists not Rose Tico harassers.

 

Just testing my good ol cantina making sure there are no baddies. Thanks for bearing with my frustration. My hopes renewed.

 

making sure there is no baddies...
from a certain point of view

 

Goes and sees star wars,
"man those imperial guys just get treated horribly"