THREAD FOR THOSE WHO HATED THE MOVIE

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/201...jedi-becomes-2017s-highest-grossing-film.html

Hahahahaha @MagnarTheGreat . Highest grossing film of the year. Rian Johnson should be fired for such a failure!

 

I seriously love this .gif so much.



#MASTERSKYWALKER

#LIKEABOSS

 

If Luke didn’t step in the Resistance is wiped out. Nobody would be left. Maybe Rey, Chewie and R2 make it out alive. But everyone else is gone. Luke’s spectacle showed that the Jedi are needed and that the First Order is not going to rule without a fight. His inspiration is what will spark other star systems that want to fight but are afraid, to rise up.

As for Broom Boy. That scene was an obvious time skip into the near future. Word is getting around, especially in worlds like Canto Bight that seem to profit from conflict. Naturally, the grunts, slaves, stable masters, etc would be talking about how Luke Skywalker faced down the First Order and allowed the Resistance to escape. I’m sure the galaxy has no idea if Luke is alive or dead. But it doesn’t matter because his legend is inspiring others to fight.

 

You seem really infatuated with the milking of alien nipples and winking at young girls.

Are you sure you did not enjoy those scenes?

If they disgust you so much why think about them constantly?

Have you ever milked a nipple of any sort before?

You act like it hasn't been done by humans for thousands of years.

Also, why do you automatically assume that a wink is always meant to be sexual?

This is not the case.

"A wink is an informal mode of non-verbal communication usually signaling shared hidden knowledge or intent."


"Ride the Tide"

-SOAS

 

You're quite a bit more generous than I am when it comes to the characterization of Luke in this film. For me, this and the horrible jokiness that subverts the character and story (it's almost like the film is missing a laugh track) are the two things I dislike the most about this awful awful film.

But, the treatment of Luke is the thing I can't forget or forgive.

Like you, I'd be fine with a Luke who makes sense and is consistent with what we know of him so far. That he does not run from a fight, that he stands with his friends, and follows his heart. In my view, there is no universe (or Galaxy if you prefer) where Luke is not these things, or he would not be Luke. This is not to say that he is or should be perfect, you couldn't write a story about that - he'd be like Rey, boring! - just that his flaws and mistakes should spring from his established character (as they did all through the OT). Substantive changes, especially 180 degree ones, need to be earned. This film didn't do that. But then, this film did little of earning anything. It's a scene driven shallow movie, I think, than one based on solid characters and overall story.

 

A joke directed at the audience, not the First Order.

Those are the kind of jokes that make this film look like Spaceballs.

As I've mentioned before, it's a very social media driven movie. Many scenes felt like they were added simply for sake of being able to create funny/sassy gifs for Tumblr and Twitter.

 

How was it not directed at the FO? Luke was showing his superiority over them, making THEM look like a joke. Feeble against him and the power of the light. And of course to enrage Kylo Ren further.

 

So you say Luke does not run from a fight. What fight did he run away from? When he left the First Order had not revealed themselves. That didn’t happen until TFA. Just so we are clear. Next you say he stands with his friends. What if those are the people he perceives he let down? Have you ever let someone down? How did that effect you? Finally you say he follows his heart. Isn’t that what he’s doing here? It’s just not what you wanted his heart to do. Then you say, he should not be perfect. Well, if he did all of the things like you say then he would be perfect. Then he would be boring.

This business where people wanted a wise old Jedi as if a combination of Obi-Wan and Yoda, that is boring. We’ve seen it. Those two had way more wisdom than when we left Luke in ROTJ. Luke was never wise or really thought things through. He acted with heart and compassion, and that was enough to save Vader. In the end, he did the same thing in TLJ. R2 pulled on his heart and Yoda made him see things clearly again. Just like how Luke couldn’t burn the books, Luke couldn’t not act to help Leia in the end. Why does that go unnoticed?

 

Sorry, dude. I have no interest in discussing this with you. You (and others like yourself) and I see this story from different universes (or galaxies, if you prefer). I have nothing to tell you, that I think would be worthwhile to you. And you have nothing to tell me about Star Wars that I consider worthwhile. Literally zero.

Good day to you.

 

It was clearly directed at the audience. Luke was standing like 150 feet away from the First Order's point of view, simply emerging from the shadows was enough to show his superiority over them.

Like I said, the jokes in this movie are made to please a modern audience. They are like a parody of Star Wars, ala Spaceballs.

 

Nicely put. The feeling I got from Luke in TLJ was that he was desperately trying to be what he thought he should be but deep down knew it wasn’t right. When he went to torch the sacred tree and then stopped you can see that he just couldn’t go through with it. He even shouts at Yoda about the sacred Jedi texts when he actually destroys the tree! And when Rey finds him he is supposedly about to join the force but of course doesn’t - how many times did he contemplate that and yet back away?

He’s clearly very conflicted and the “Luke” that we remember from ROTJ is still there but events and tragedy has in some ways forced him to put on a mask himself. Rey and Yoda convince him to take it off and when he does we see The Legend Luke in all his glory.

 

Fair enough. Maybe learn to watch things with an open mind and try and understand the writers and filmmakers vision, not close yourself off to some fantasy that you have in your mind.

 

LOL! Classy. Good job.

 

Um, he was looking right at Kylo when he did it. Kylo reacted to it. It was a moment of gravitas from Luke. He does get cocky sometimes.

 

Shock horror: They have Luke do something to please the audience, that is still in context of what is happening!

I think it shows Luke has a personality. I’d like to think I’d do the same after emerging from that show of FO firepower unscathed. And Luke’s actions are as much to rule Kylo as they are to stand up to the FO. He wants Kylo to come and face him so he can sew seeds of doubt in his mind and further conflict/anger/weaken him.

 

In this case, I think it's the writers and filmmakers that didn't understand Star Wars (besides the visuals).

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 15, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 15, 2018 ---

How do you know? Kylo reacted to the fact that he emerged from the dust unscratched. It's your own suspension of disbelief. It was a joke directed at the audience, and the emergence of such sassy gifs proves my point.

 

You may want to throw the creator into that mix because they relied heavily on some of Lucas ideas for grumpy Luke.

 

What? I think I already made myself clear why the scene doesn't work - it's like a parody of Star Wars ala Spaceballs. It doesn't show that Luke has a personality more than it exists for the sake of making the audience laugh just for the sake of a laugh.

 

He was trying to provoke Kylo. Piss him off. Make him do something stupid like come down and face him. He had to make Kylo look like a chump in front of his men. It worked.

 

I thought that was what you were referring to when saying they didn’t understand Star Wars.