SPECULATION Vader's Unfinished Work

Anakin was basically the son of Plagueis according to Sidious. Plagueis created the Chosen One and Sidious ruined his potential. So if the KOR have anything to do with Plagueis I would say Vader being the martyred Chosen One created by Plagueis would be a pretty big deal to them.

 

Darth Plagueis (the novel) and Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side aren't canon. I was with the OP 'til he mentioned Plagueis.

What is Vader's unfinished work? That's the question.

OT Vader wanted two things 1) eliminate the rebellion 2) turn Luke and overthrow Sidious. So, it seems obvious that Snoke and Ren want to eliminate the rebellion that became the New Republic/Resistance. Do they also want to turn Luke? That seems doubtful. I think Vader's unfinished work is just to wipe out any opposition to the empire -- of which he wanted to be the leader.

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That's exactly what defeated Nazi's in South America would do: bide their time 'til they could make another offensive against the allies.

 

I know what is canon. I wasn't going by the novel (only read a little) or Book of the Sith (haven't read it), I was going by ROTS. The film suggests that Plagueis manipulated midi-chlorians to create life, i.e. Anakin. The novel suggests Plagueis failed and it was the Force that created Anakin in retaliation.
I was simply telling the OP why Plagueis, if he comes back, would be interested in Vader.

 

Wow... you must have a lot of time on your hands. But no. Vaders story is over. He might be referenced in TFA quite a bit but thats it. His story is over

 

IMO, Anakin has no unfinished business, he served his purpose during both his time as a jedi & the sith, he has nothing left to teach Luke that he doesn't already know, if Vader was to come back it would be one moment of motivation when Luke is feeling down after a disagreement with Leia but apart from that his knowledge is solely based on protecting the future at any cost, the only other time it should appear is when Luke joins the force after his supposed death in TFA.

 

While I don't agree with the OP on the whole bringing back dead Sith thing, I wouldn't say Vader's story is over. If his name and image are being used by the main villains, that is far from "over."

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That fell apart a bit there in the middle. "apartment that his knowledge is solely based on protecting the future at any cost." Huh?

"if Vader was to come back it would be one moment of motivation when Luke is feeling down after a disagreement with Leia." "the only other time will should appear is when Luke joins the force after his supposed death in TFA." Did I miss a leak or two?

 

Anakin and Vader are two different people. Snoke and Kylo want to finish Vader's work, not Anakin's.

 

It's edited now, sorry.

 

What a weird thread

 

Are they not one in the same?

 

"the only other time will should appear..."

Who is Will?! Why do I keep missing these details?

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I assume he means Vader is not considered to be the same person as Anakin by the FO and KOR. They have the same view that Ben, and Vader himself, had before Luke saved him, if they even know who Anakin was (I would think at least Kylo does). You could also say Vader wasn't really "Anakin" until he was redeemed.

 

umm... No. That's kind of the point of the whole saga.

 

280 new baby boys are now named Anakin

 

Could be argued the opposite way. Luke was striving to prove that Anakin was still Vader's true self and that he had "only forgotten" who he really was. "You were right about me... tell your sister, you were right."

 

Darth Vader: There is no escape! Don't make me destroy you. Luke, you do not yet realize your importance. You've only begun to discover your power! Join me, and I will complete your training! With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict, and bring order to the galaxy.
Luke Skywalker: I'll never join you!
Darth Vader: If only you knew the power of the Dark Side! Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Luke Skywalker: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Darth Vader: No. I am your father!
Luke Skywalker: No... No! That's not true! That's impossible!
Darth Vader: Search your feelings, you know it to be true!
Luke Skywalker: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! NOOOO...!!
Darth Vader: Luke, you can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny! Join me, and together, we can rule the galaxy as father and son! Come with me. It is the only way.

 

Yeah. Like I said before. Vader's OT plans 1) defeat the rebellion 2) turn Luke and overthrow Sidious. If you're saying that you think the FO is looking to turn Luke to the dark side then I disagree (though I'm really not sure what you're saying). I think the FO is just trying to defeat the rebels/new republic/resistance and restore the Empire. Like JJ said, they are what the Nazi's would've been if they'd been able to band together in South America.

 

Anakin is DEAD. His story IS over. He will for sure be brought up in TFA as part of that story but thats it.

 

When he used the word "over" in quotations, he was insinuating that Vader's story/plan is going to be continued by others continuing it (namely, the FO). He didn't mean that Vader is going to be literally resurrected. Do you get that? It's going to be an important plot point in the film.