SPECULATION Vader's Unfinished Work

Snoke is either the Supreme Leader of the First Order, or Supreme Leader of the Knights of Ren.

Either way - their goals appear to be similar - to Rule the Galaxy.

Vader is seen as the catalyst and martyr who died trying to crush those who didn't want to see Unity across the Galaxy. The rebellion wanted self-rule - they wanted democracy and disagreements.

Snoke and Kylo are in the Might is Right camp - one can only assume that there is an arrogance that says "they know what is best for everyone" and will Rule the Galaxy in order to dictate the terms.

It didn't say Snoke wasn't a Sith - so he might still be one...

I think they are setting up Kylo so that he can have redemption... otherwise - he's a true villain and we shouldn't care for him.

If Kylo is part of the Solo/Skywalker family then he must be redeemed - family and love must ultimately win - otherwise this isn't Star Wars and George Lucas' vision for what this is all about will be forgotten.

 

Vader, "You don't know the power of the dark side. I must obey my master." No way Vader had an apprentice or secretly conspired to overthrow Sidious. His only attempt at finding an apprentice was having Luke join him.

 

I have not made it through the entire thread so bear with me if this has been said but this encounter backs up my thought on this.

The emperor wanted supreme power. Vader, as demonstrated above, wants to bring order to the Galaxy. The strict rule of the Empire was how he thought order was best achieved. The Rebellion saw this form of order as tyranny. Once the New Republic is formed not all is well in the galaxy. There are areas that are not prosperous like they thought they would. A swell of support for the order that the Empire had is now sought after. Remnants of the Empire who still believe in the cause join together and form the First Order (the name is not just a coincidence). They seek to bring back order to the Galaxy that Vader was attempting. They have the same vision he had. They want to "finish what you (Vader) started"

 

So this thread is to post viable theories on what the First order and the Knights of ren think Vader did not finish. Please use canon to back up your theories and bear in mind the Nazi aspect of JJ's new quote. Also note that they want to finish Vader's work, not Palpatine's.

So from what I know, Vader was known for hunting and killing Jedi. And he seemingly killed all of them except Luke. So spitballing here I think they might want the total eradication of Jedi. This would mesh well with the Nazi theme and as well with the rumored flashback of Luke's academy being destroyed.

And the fact that hunting Luke seems to be the main focus of TFA as he is the last Jedi and the only one that can make new Jedi. Once he is gone, so are the Jedi.

I think that the lightsaber will be used to find Luke by using a power like Q Voss. Perhaps Maz has the power to sense these force echoes. Or maybe not. But the saber is not a red herring, because otherwise there would be no point in having it in the movie.

Hopefully we'll get some good theories on here to inspire some lovely speculation.

 

There's already a thread on this: https://thecantina.starwars7news.com/index.php?threads/vaders-unfinished-work.4144/

 

I think that maybe Vaders 'unfinished work' is basically whatever Snoke says it is. The only 'unfinished work' of Vader that I can think of would be turning Luke to the darkside. Otherwise, I think it will just be Snoke using the 'unfinished work' moniker for manipulating others to do his bidding.

 

KOTOR = knights of the old Ren

 

I'm sorry, but where in the quote does it say that Vader had unfinished business? That confuses me more than anything else because I have not read this.

 

It is implied in this quote by Abrams in the Empire magazine article coming out soon

“What could be born of that? Could The First Order exist as a group that actually admired The Empire? Could the work of The Empire be seen as unfulfilled? And could Vader be a martyr? Could there be a need to see through what didn’t get done?”

 

I think the statement "the work of the empire" is probably beyond what Vader wanted specifically, but I really like the theory that his extra-curricular activities (like we see in the comics) are an origin story for the First Order.

Following this of the top off my head...

• The Knights of Ren could be a group created by Vader on the side, intended to overthrow the Emperor with Vader as their leader.
• The rumor becomes that their intended leader Vader died at the hand of Skywalker... creates motive to find Luke and kill him.
• "Snoke" steps up to lead them. (Or if you are a Plagueis believer, perhaps a version of knights improbably resurrected "Snoke" using their understanding of the Dark Side?)
• What's the unfinished business? Learning how to use the dark side of the force to keep those around you from dying... more generally, unlocking the secrets of the Dark Side Vader could not get out of Palpatine so they could bring "peace to the galaxy".

 

1st I did not read all the member posts.
I'd say the "First Order" may be tracking and/or destroying the remaining good Jedi to insure their goals, power structure. I keep saying forum members should watch Jim Henson's The Dark Crystal .
I think the Nazi-bad guy example shows how Snoke/First Order might be like the Nazi party in the early-mid 1930s. They used sabotage, propaganda and terrorism to prevail.
The Nazis wiped out a rival political group by creating false stories & rumors. They then murdered several political leaders and gained influence. The First Order may see the Jedi Order has a serious threat and want to clear out any smaller groups-foes.
Snoke might try to gain power & authority from the old Gran Moffs/Govs by staging terrorism, assassinations.

 

The JJ quote is clearly about the Empire's unfinished work, not Vader's specifically. I take that to reference the Empire's main goal, which started even before it was officially formed and continued until the very end of RotJ - building a super weapon so powerful that the fear of it would be enough to give them complete control of the Galaxy.

 

If there is all this Vader-worship coming from the KoR, then I don't see why "finishing what he started" couldn't be regarding more than one thing. They want to bring balance to the Force (they might believe eradicating the Jedi would bring this about). What do they believe said balance would achieve? Perhaps bringing order to the galaxy. Also, we've heard mention of the "children of the Force" in enough places now, that I feel it will be a focus of the Storygroup moving forward. It's been a part of both TCW and Rebels animated series (the latter being one of the first canon contributions post - LFL Storygroup). It stands to reason that the Force would reintroduce itself on a relatively large scale, into the newborns of the GFFA. These "children" would be around the age of adulthood at the time of TFA, assuming the process began after ROTJ. The stunt double has said the new film is called "The Force Awakens" for a reason. I think that also could tie into the talk of the Children of the Force. The Force has shown that it will fight back. So I see the choices made by this new generation of Force - users, in a more balanced landscape, being a central theme of the ST.

 

Again another edited, I need to ready my post again in future before sending it's confusing everyone.

 

I don't get the need for comments about a thread being "weird" or a "joke". It just comes across as mean and counter-productive. There's a way to disagree without being rude or alienating members of our great community.

 

don't get me started!

 

Ummmm, okay? Whatever that means ...

 

I agree with you here and have stated in other posts that this KOR group along with FO are a 'purified' Empire...in other words they will carry the banner of 'we are what the Empire was supposed to be'...it is too complicated for the Vader continuation piece...

 

what didn't get done is the elimination of the rebels. I really don't think the quote implies anything aboht vader at all, other than that people may think he died for reasons other than the truth.