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SPECULATION Vader's Unfinished Work

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Xzavior, Aug 25, 2015.

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What happened to 50 years of Force Users?

  1. killed

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  2. banished

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  3. tracked

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  4. turned

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    No more Plagueis. Plagueis was a Sith and they have said there are no Sith in this movie
     
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    It's all rather open to interpretation at this point, as we only have that one little blurb from the interview. I see both sides of the coin here. Perhaps it's inferring a strong influence of Vader's mission, perhaps not.

    I personally think it is heavily Vader-influenced, due to the martyr comment, in addition to Kylo's (and KoR's?) obssession with Vader. Either way, hopefully we'll find out more on Thursday.
     
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    THANK YOU!!!! :)
     
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    LOL tell that to Kristen Harlov
     
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    I don't think we should be asking what Vader's end goal was and maybe asking what the emperor's was. Vader was a henchman and any ideology he personally held was clearly long forgotten in OT. He was simply doing the emperor's bidding as an enforcer and nothing else. Blast all that other canon blast, which appears to be doing nothing more than damaging the legend.
     
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    Vader had the same basic goal as all Sith: kill his master and rule the galaxy. He wanted to turn Luke and destroy the Emperor in order to "end the destructive conflict" and "rule the galaxy as father and son." Even at the end of EP3 Anakin wanted to kill Palpatine and rule with Padme. Going back to EP2 his worldview was guided by Palpatine, so yes, he does enforce the Emperor's goals, but they are similar to his own: "peace" and "order" by an iron fist.
    They might also be thinking about his "goals" as the Chosen One. No one said they were correct in their views of what his goals were.
     
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    Well, I inferred that the conflict he was talking about was between him and his son, not the empire v the rebel alliance. Ruling the galaxy goes back to the PT (*throws up in mouth*) where he felt that democracy isn't working. In any case, his own opinions or desires (in the OT) were not expressed/implied except in the case of his son. I don't think he had any interest in what the emperor wanted and as soon as his son's existence was revealed to him, the emperors plans were of a lesser importance.
     
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    Look, "Vader" didn't have any aspirations as Vader (so to speak)...he was a big stick for the Emperor, essentially. But, when he learned that Luke was out there, he really secretly wanted to have that..."bond", with his son as rulers...but I don't necessarily think as "Sith", just in a ruling manner, with the help of the dark side.

    Now that being said, we go back to Anakin who (because of Palpatine) became disillusioned with Democracy, as Palpatine very methodically twisted his understanding of it...and was successful. At the time of the OT, I don't think he yet had come to the factual understanding of how good that the Republic was as he had no qualms about wiping out the Rebels that represented it.

    His aspirations or "work" that remained, was to rule the galaxy with his son as a "police/socialist/communist state"....to make it the way he wanted it...what his vision of it was.

    Anyone know exactly what his vision of the "perfect state" for the galaxy was...really???
     
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    Vader wanted to first rule with his wife Padme, then with the OT his son Luke. So now the question who is wanting to rule with who?
     
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    Present logic would dictate....Ren with Snoke, OR just Ren after overthrowing Snoke. :)
     
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    I am not so sure Ren would want to overthrow Snoke. It seems as though all of the knights of ren are working towards one purpose which is most likely to fulfill Vader's plan for the galaxy or even the Force itslef. I would not be suprised if snoke is not a physical being at all and only a spirit. In all of the pictures of Andy Serkis, why isn't he wearing real costume clothes? If JJ wants everything he can to be practical effects (which i believe he is doing to the max) why in the world would Serkis not be wearing real clothes.

    With that point of view, either they are digitally creating all the clothes (very doubtful), he is naked, or maybe he is a whispy ghost. Just thinking here.
     
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    Honestly, in that VF shot of Serkis on the throne is staged for the photograph to be released publicly. They wouldn't dare dress him in costume and then photograph it.....keeping it as secretive as possible!
     
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    There are other leaked pictures of him doing mo-cap without a real costume as well. Like the one where he is holding a mocap staff. I will find it again!
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    Here it is! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CM5Mmr1WIAAVyWm.jpg
     
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    Is that for TFA or a previous work?
     
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    That head mo-cap unit is brand new, and we have only seen it from his mo-cap studio used for TFA. No guarantee, but I would say it has huge potential to be a TFA character whether it be snoke or an additional character.

    Still strange that he inst wearing clothes and its not a real staff, am i right?
     
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    Yes, I concede sir!! :) Ok, ok.....you are correct! Now, what do you know about mo-cap work......my curiosity is peaked based on your above comment.... ;)
     
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    I am not in the industry that requires mo-cap but I have always found it fascinating! I know enough about it for people to think I know everything about it ha! But yeah that tech is brand new. If you look at photos of him doing his other movies, he has never used that head unit before.

    Lupita is also using it for her Maz character
    http://cdn1-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2015/05/Lupita-Bar-640.jpg
     
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    I've seen some say that that is for his role in The Jungle Book not TFA, but I'm not sure if that is true or not.
     
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    You don't wear clothing in mo-cap other than the tracking suit, and you don't use "real" props (you use ones that can be tracked like the suits).

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    That's not completely true now days but no worries!
     
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