Why Me and Friends Didn't like TFA

I do not see anything racist in TPM.

 

Well you got me. HAHA. I just realized what this whole thread is really about. You see how popular this movie has become with not just SW fans but with casual audiences and critic as well and you're jumping on the "LOOK AT ME, I so edgy and controversial" bandwagon. I mean why else would you sign up to a SW fan site and say you actually liked Jar Jar. For the record George Lucas didn't even like the finished version of Jar Jar despite what he may say in interviews now. He wanted to completely redo that whole character but couldn't find a way to do it without redoing large parts of the movie. Back in 1998 it was leaked that TPM may be delayed by an additional 2 years. In the end he just said f#ck it. And released it as is. Do some research you'll see that even the creator didn't like Jar Jar, he wanted to abort him.

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What do you mean he wasn't able to deflect blaster bolts? he did it against the training orb blind folded!!! Just because the were from a training orb doesn't make them any slower.

 

i do not mind Jar Jar.
So what exactly you want to say? That people are not allowed to like Jar Jar?!

 

I exactly saying me and George Lucas don't like Jar Jar.

 

Rey was (probably) trained as a youngster, is a Skywalker or Solo and has innate but hitherto latent force powers, or both. Her relatively quick uptake of force powers was done as good as it could be in a two hour film. They have specific plans for the future (obviously) and this is the end point they needed to arrive at.

The R2 thing bothered me, but after the second viewing it became clearer that R2 had been programmed to wake up either when any force user, or specifically Rey, was nearby after the force had awakened in them. This provided the trigger for the droid to wake up, complete the map, and provide Rey with the opportunity to go see Luke and (hopefully) reboot the Jedi order with just the two of them or, hopefully and eventually, more people. Exceptionally convenient - yes, but that's SW for you, it's full of lucky coincidences. Was it a shame it didn't happen before the attack on Starkiller and all that transpired after that? Sure. But there you have it, someone important has to die in the first of every trilogy.

The range / depth / conflict of Kylo, the destiny that Rey was inexorably drawn toward, Finn's struggles to break free and grow up from his beginnings. It's these otherwise small stories that were played out pretty well overall that killed the simple but oh so important (as we were constantly but ham-fistedly told) prophecy of the chosen one in the prequels. Dislike the story or characters or plot or retreads that this film portrays, in terms of a movie with propulsive action and decent acting and appropriately pitched comedy, TFA was a success. A safe success, but nonetheless a decent foundation for the next two films.

 

"Brutally honest"? Opinion is not truth. Now, I'll offer my opinion on some of these memes. Several of the memes are merely opinion, apparently aimed at insulting those who actually liked TFA. Others are easy to respond to:

- Where is it stated that Vader can only read his son's mind? He's a former Jedi, capable of mind tricks.
- Kylo inadvertently taught Rey the art of the mind trick. In resisting his mind probe, Rey was able to briefly enter Kylo's mind. She learned he feared that he'd never live up to his grandfather's reputation. After entering the mind of Kylo, tricking a simple stormtrooper was easy. It's like robbing a local bank after breaking into Fort Knox.
- Poe was thrown from the wreckage and helped by a Jakku resident. His presumed death made his reappearance on Takodana more dramatic.
- Luke learned to pull a lightsaber on his own. This occurred BEFORE he trained with Yoda. The extent of his training with Obi-Wan was a couple swings of the lightsaber against a remote. In fact, that's the full extent of his lightsaber training in the movies.
- Artoo didn't have the entirety of the map. Just a piece. Though I think his 'awakening' could've been handled a little better.
- Vader has frozen people, even controlling their actions. See his appearance in the episode 'Siege of Lothal' of the series 'Rebels'. It's probably the best episode that show has had, currently holding a 9.2 rating on IMdB.

 

This movie isn't even a good popcorn film. I could excuse the poor plot and pacing. If it had kick ass action scenes but it doesn't even have that going for it. Say what you want about TPM but at least that movie had that lightsaber battle this film has nothing.

 

It failed on all counts.
Just like Into Darkness, and the rest of JJ's body of shitty work.

There were plenty of directors who don't suck Disney could've gone with.
And we would've gotten a much, much better film.

What could have been...

 

You're jealous because you're not in it .

 

If that's was the cas e I would hate every star wars film that's not 2 and 3. This movie has too many flaws I really wanted to love this film I waited years for it and I watch it 3 times hoping it would get better but its worse every time I watch it. If this were any other film I wouldn't waste my time but its star wars and star wars something I'm very passionate about I've been a star wars fan all my life.

 

I meant because your Dooku, which is why you're jealous. Btw, if you're dead, how do you post on here? Are you trolling us from beyond he grave ?

 

All you people that hate TFA....I challenge you to not go and see Episode 8. I bet you do see it though...on opening night. Why? because it left alot of unanswered questions that you just have to know the answers to. That was the movies intent. I mean it's JJ after all. Mr. mystery box.

 

The movie's intent was to have no "real" plot .

 

Well not having a "real" plot sure works. This movie was fun and enjoyable, most people out there will agree with me. If you want something deep and intellectual watch a swedish suicide film.

 

I not trying to say that it's a bad movie since I enjoyed it, but it doesn't live up to the stories of the past I'm SW-Lore to me .

 

Can't please everyone all the time. I'm sorry you didn't like it and I'm sure others will not. I for one did enjoy it and from the looks of the ratings and boxoffice, many others did to. Maybe the next one will be better for you.

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Are you sure its TFA you do not like or just JJ and his work in general.. if its the latter then Im guessing anything he did would live up to expectations

 

I think as far as the SW saga goes, everything evolves from Ep. I to VII. They are sure history doesnt repeats itself. Dont get caught up on the Jedi portion of the PT. As they mention in VII its legends/history past of the old republic. in the OT its more force sensable with learning the force with Luke being the last Jedi. Now in TFA its more force driven. You dont have to be a Jedi nor wield a lightsaber, like SW fans would like to see. Its more force power, the ability to use and gain power from the teaching and relics of the past. Thats why Rey senses the power of the force through the lightsaber and visions. its Kylo wanting to gain the knowledge of the dark side to further his training and why Snoke wants him to finish training. I did feel like it was weird how Rey learned the force quick but she was the "awakening" of the force in her to see what she is capable of. Just like in this thread, Luke didnt wield a lightsaber like the younglings and padiwans of the past, yoda taught him how to use the force. that is why yoda told Obi won how to communicate to the past after Ep. III. Everything is driven so we as SW fans dont see history repeat itself in the sequel. I would not want to see another Jedi Order, Yoda said Luke would be the Last of the Jedi so thats the end of that history. I know it prolly wont change your views or understand mine but would like to see how you feel on mine.

May the force be with you always...

 

I was honestly going to respond.
But the force suddendly told me life is short.