Why Snoke is a Sith

again, i believe that's Palps baiting Anakin. he never shows any interest in the light side of the Force, only using Anakin as a pawn to complete his plan for an Empire. that scene doesn't speak to what the Sith want; it's about what he wants Anakin to do.

in the movies, you're right, they only ever reference those two factions. however, the Star Wars universe is far larger than the films at this point. you surely must realize that.

Snoke has definitely been around for a while, and was definitely well known by certain people. Leia knew who he was, so i imagine other characters were also aware of his existence prior to Ben's fall to the Dark Side.

you're out of touch because you're ignoring details from the rest of the canon universe, or at least you're ignorant of them.

 

It's clear Palpatine was making the Sith palatable for Anakin. He's not going to tell him the truth about the dark side is he?! He's trying to get him on his side and make it acceptable in Anakins mind.

Again, when did Palpatine ever show compassion, selflessness or love? Never. He was evil. And to master the dark side one must shun the light.

All evidence suggests Snoke is not a Sith.

 

no matter how you interpret that, Palps never says that Sith need to know both sides of the Force. he says that if Anakin wants to save Padme, Anakin must learn the Dark Side. maybe watch the whole clip and not one line?

i do NOT think that Snoke is a Sith. we disagree on that point as you seem set on Snoke = Sith. have you been reading any of my posts?

you are ignoring other aspects of the canon and acting like only the movies exist. i'm only bringing in things that are factually in the canon, not random info. everything i've said is based on preexisting, canon material. so no need to interpret: these are real things that are related to this discussion.

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you have to keep in mind that the movies are just the most popular and accessible aspects of Star Wars canon; the books, comics, TV shows, and other related art pieces are as much a part of the Star Wars universe as the films (although i believe the films take precedent when direct conflicts arise).

 

Whether something happens in the films or not it is irrelevant if it's made canon - it'll impact what's yet to come. This is what @FallenAngel needs to keep in mind. It might not interest him if it's revealed that the Sith are extinct in the books or wherever but being part of the new canon it means the films won't contradict that. So one must take into account sources outside of the films.

 

exactly my point

 

you're a little difficult to read at times, so apologies if i've been mistaken on any points.

the "great mystery" he's referring to is the power to bring people back to life. that's the one power that has eluded the Sith as that's their ultimate goal. the irony is that only a Jedi can become one with the Force, which is almost like living forever, albeit without a body lol

as far as i'm aware, this whole thread is about if Snoke is a Sith. evidence shows that he is not. that's all there is to it, really!

 

Lol, you've never read or heard interviews with people who've read the early drafts then. The story was originally going to encompass plenty of backstory such as the Emperor's rise to power and Obi-Wan's duel with Darth Vader. While Anakin wasn't always going to be Darth Vader, the Obi-Wan/ Vader fight was always planned and was going to take place on a volcanic planet. There's plenty of proof is in Ralph McQuarrie's drawings, which cover everything from Coruscant (originally Imperial City) to Volcanic Planet (eventually Mustafar). Lucasfilm are still using McQuarrie concepts today in films and TV shows. He produced a wide range of material for Lucas for both scrapped and original concepts.

Not to mention General Anakiin Starkiller and Luke Skywalker.

 

Dark side = anger, fear, aggression, greed.

Light side = love, compassion and selflessness.

I'll ask @FallenAngel again:

When do we see any Sith use any of these light side traits?

When is Palpatine ever not just being evil?

How can one master both light and dark?

 

I'm not referencing the prequels. In Lucas' original scripts for A New Hope, which were titled The Star Wars, there was alot of politics, a non-force-sensitive emperor, Darth Vader and Obi-Wan backstory, the light side (ashla) and the dark side (bogan), a cult known as the Sith Warriors and more. The drafts had lots of material that later made their way into the original trilogy sequels e.g. Yavin, the Wookie homeworld, became Endor, and the Wookies became Ewoks as the natives were intended to be primitive. Wookies could no longer be primitive as Chewie was shown as an intelligent being.

Lucas realised his vision was too big for one film and streamlined it. The prequels gave him a chance to add some scrapped material back into the franchise.

 

almost every point you are making can also be used to support him as a nightsister/brother as well...

Or dark jedi

or Seyugi dervish

or Blackguard

or... friggin bounty hunter....

"we have a warrior that fights jedi, has an army, and takes an apprentice"

you described jango fett you realize taht right? and general grievous....and Dirge.... and anyone else ever in star wars.

your rationalization requires that there be a mystical forcefield surrounding jedi, preventing anyone who isnt sith from ever engaging them in battle and from recieving lightsaber wounds.

 

You think this is Sidious being compassionate and loving towards Vader?
I think it is clearly Sidious worrying that has prodigy and ultimate Dark Side weapon is going to die.
He isn't concerned in an unconditional way. He is worried about his own power. He wanted a powerful apprentice to make him powerful.
Greed. Not compassion.

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I just can't get my head around why people would imagine that a master of the Dark Side could at the same time use the light side. I just don't get it.
To be a master of evil: hatred, greed, selfishness and aggression, how can one at the same time adopt the light?
It's literally impossible for someone, like a Sith, to master the Dark Side and use whatever light they may have inside them.
"Your hate has mate you powerful". If that hate is tempered by love, how can one master the full power of the Dark Side as a Sith does?
It will keep them at a low level of power. Conflicted. A bit like Kylo Ren.
As we have seen with the Sith in the past, it is only when they show their dedication to the Dark Side do they truly become Sith.