Why Snoke is a Sith

okay...

I will reference canon only,

People who have fought jedis: Clone Troopers,. Droids, Droidekas, General Grievous, Jango Fett, Stormtroopers, Aqualish bar thugs.

Also the main bounty hunter of the prequels, Jango Fett, had an apprentice...

Also your assertion that george lucas knew nothing of the EU is hilaaaaaaaaaaarious.

Things from the Eu that made it into the movies (not counting new canon, or TCW which george lucas was heavily involved in... even with his daughter writing some.): Coruscant (not just the idea but the name), the idea of stormtroopers being clones, Rishi, the moons of Bogden, Master Vos, Ayla Secura, Boonta Race, a crap ton other stuff in the prequels and the sequel trilogy.

your ignorance is... profound.

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Also "The force using bad guy is normally a SITH." is ridiculous... Sith is a highly specific religion, with beliefs, a homeworld, customs, traditions... One does not simply become sith because "they use the force and they mad"

That is like saying "hindus are christians because they believe in a god.

Maz Kanata is a lightside wielding force user... she is not a Jedi....

 

You're dead right here, furthermore in the novelization of ROTS Palpatine considers to throw Vader/Anakin into the lava. He is anything but compassionate, he is rather disappointed during this moment.

 

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george lucas came up with the rule of 2 BTW, and it was explored in the definiitvely canon series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars"

the ignorance is astounding.

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Just... ha... just.... friggin... ha.

The rule of 2 was established in the PREQUELS, the sith didnt even exist as we know them now in the original trilogy... george lucas had intended them to be an order opposite of hte jedi in the original scripts, they got altered a bit for the movies and almost totally removed... but he found a way to bring them back with the whole rule of two concept.

Here is a clip from the CANON tv series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars"

This episode is one that George Lucas was directly and heavily involved with...

And btw... that is Mark Hamill voicing Darth Bane... in case you needed another level of legitimacy

 

... sexual stuff??? you know... I know what I am being trolled, I have done nothing but speak plainly to you, and you have goaded me into an arguement.

And no... george didnt just get the name of these things from the Expanded Universe, he got full concepts from it. In the expanded universe coruscant was a city planet, in the expanded universe white armored cloned troopers were created.

Aatla Secura... the most prominant example of EU brought into the movies, shares an identical character design with her expanded universe version... identical... as in "they looked at the comics and brought her into the movies"

Okay... why I dont believe Snoke is a sith...

Because, simply put... there has been nothing put forward to say that he identifies as one in any way shape or form. I actually believe it is fairly possible that he could be a sith... taht he and the knights of ren are hiding this fact the same way Vader and Palpatine hid their sith status from the empire...

See... in the new canon, they established and have repeatedly driven home the point that if people knew Vader and Palpatine were sith, that it would be a huge scandal (for lack of a better word) because of the countless years that the old republic was tormented by the sith order... and there is no reason to assume that 1060 years would be enough time to forget the horrors of the sith when 1000 years was not.

I think taht Snoke could be sith... but... I dont think that he is.

Simply because, even if he has roots in sith teachings I believe that he has started his own cult in the style of the sith.

The difference here would be the difference between Islam and Christianity, or Christianity and Judaism.

I think that snoke and his apprentices could be a new organization that are an evolution of the Sith, rather than the Sith themselves...

I like to use the Blackguard in the Expanded Universe as an example of what I think they coudl be, since they are almost identical in a lot of ways to what Snoke and the Knights of Ren are... in my opinion.

Read up on them, it will be good for you.

 

1. I dont know why you are pointing this out, we know this is speculation.

2. taht is not how percentages work

3. in the movies... yes... in the canon, just referencing the work that george Lucas was directy involved with... Pong Krell, Asajjj Ventress, Nightbrothers, Nightsisters, there was a cult that Mace Windu and Jar Jar fought (it was a weird episode) lots of force using baddies that are not sith.

4. yes... yes there has been a definitive rule of two set up... however, this does not mean that snoke cant be sith... so I have no earthly idea why you think you have to dismiss the rule of two in order to validate snokes status as sith.

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oh fun fact... there are more references too the Expanded Universe in any one film in the prequel trilogy, than there is in The Force Awakens.

 

@FallenAngel

Some people think the world is flat.
Others say it is round.

The people that say it is flat don't have a 50% chance of being right.

They're just stupid.

All the quotes from the makers of this trilogy, along with what we see in ROTJ (destruction of Sith) and in TFA (Sith referred to in past tense) tells us Snoke is not a Sith. There is a small chance he once was (which is hard for me to say being a Plagueis fanboy) but those are the facts. He is something else. Similar to being Sith. But not technically Sith.

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He's Kylo Ren's teacher. He is teaching him about the Dark Side. He wants to complete Kylo's teaching.
That doesn't automatically mean he is teaching him how to become a Sith. It just means that he is completing his training!
It's what most teachers in any field aspire to do with their students.

 

The main reason @master_shaitan is right on the money is current Cultural Trend on our Society.

Labels are things from the past, there no dual sided views of anything anymore. There no Right or Wrong, being Evil isn't necessarily something against Good. Everything is a bit of everything, every persons has diferent layers on his psique, considering a person as a good person is a naif version of reality, everybody is good or bad at some times and probably the oposite in the other times. Judging reality as Black or White is just STUPID, reality is a very wide collection of shades of grey and even some of those grey tones may differ in darkness or whiteness depending on how and when you look at them, people and opinions even evolve in their convictions and actions therefore considering things as good or bad, Jedi or Sith is extremely redundant.

Snoke is Snoke, he might be a Sith sometimes or even a Jedi in their actions, but considering him a Sith is just reducing his entire persona.

 

Everything in the world evolves, even Star Wars. It's time to open your horizons, we're not in 1970's cold war anymore.

Time to Grow Up.

 

Dark vs light does not equal Sith vs Jedi. In Lucas' episode 7 concept, there were no Sith and the same can be said of the final product. If Star Wars was only Jedi vs Sith, then why did Lucas destroy one of the two orders in ROTJ? The creator himself has literally disproven your absurd statements.

 

Personally i don't fancy the chosen one themes at all (but Star wars might take that direction with Rey or Ben/Kylo).

The Sith was an aspect of the force users, i believe that term and condition of the Sith Order is long gone by now...... (i'm talking about story writting only)

 

But please take note that even MAUL isn't a Sith anymore.

If you and everybody else consider that human beings or any humanoid creature are just like any other kind of life forms, either animal or vegetal or even simplier life forms like bacterias, and they only have two objectives in their SHORT life time, transform energy in other forms of energy and multiply their genes and types; after analysing this we all should come to the conclusion that talking about great life achievements or the chosen ones to save universe and mankind is just rubbish. (just call it the Matrix, something fake to make us believe we are part of something greater)

 

why do you keep saying the Rule of Two hasnt been established.

Newsflash you cant talk about the Sith, without talking about the prequels... The word sith wasnt uttered once in the original trilogy, and they werent established as an organization within those films.

The sith as an organization wouldnt even exist without the prequels.

you are basically saying "lets talk about a prequel thing without mentiongin the prequels"

BTW, the prequels are canon... stop pretending only the original films are canon.

Also snoke could be from a group of sith that predated the rule of two or broken it... there is no reason to bring up the rule of two at all.

 

Both. There's more going on in that scene than just Sidious' greed and lust for power. At least for a moment, anyway. Then it's back to business as usual.

 

I don't see that. It'd be completely out of character. He never shows any signs of caring for Anakin. He even laughs at his creation when in his robotic suit, mourning the death of his wife.

All Sidious wants is unlimited power, and Vader provided him that.
WHat he his showing in that scene is a sadness at the potential loss of this power or some of it.
He's worried that his powerful apprentice will die or not provide him with the same power as he hoped.
He isn't worried about Vader unconditionally here. He isn't sad for Vader, for what has happened to him.
He's dismayed at his own misfortune.