Your ideas for IX's plot.

WHAT A FANTASTIC TOPIC THAT TITLE COULD GIVE

The first words of the crawl should be....
KYLO REN AND REY ARE NOW MARRIED FOR THREE YEARS...
(...)

 

Would love this just to see audience reactions lol! JJ would say you wanted twists ? Well here goes the first one in the first line of the opening crawl!

 

Agreed @RogueRebel

 

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Uhhhhhh. No.

 

I don't have any major ideas for a plot, but I'd REALLY like to see the villains and the heroes interact with people outside of their specific arch-enemy. Let Poe have more of a connection to Kylo Ren, either by having them have a dogfight (something that was teased in TLJ, but never happened) or reminisce about their specific connections to Leia (the lost son vs her successor). That could breed some great character moments.

Let Rey meet Phasma if she makes a comeback or Hux if she doesn't. She thinks Snoke was - and now Kylo is - the true evil of the F.O. Let her meet the higher-ups. Let her see that The Force might surround us and bind us together, but evil doesn't have to be dominated by just Force Users.

Lastly, Let Finn have a rematch with Kylo. Coming out of TFA the first few times, the parallels between Finn and Kylo (especially due to Kylo screaming "TRAITOR" at the end) was the most interesting aspect for me. And frankly, a third fight between Kylo and Rey doesn't really peak my interest. Rey doesn't need Kylo anymore. He has nothing to teach her or offer her as a really challenge IMO. He's just an enemy to defeat now.

So yeah...flesh out the cast by giving them different people to interact with. ​

 

I've been thinking about the whole Snoke thing, coming from nowhere and essentially redoing he whole galactic civil war thing. In terms of the story being told to us, why create something that is so clearly on the path of the Empire vs Rebels again?

I direct you to this Blofeld quote from From Russia With Love:

'Siamese fighting fish. Fascinating creatures. Brave, but of the whole stupid. Yes, they're stupid. Except for the occasional one such as we have here who lets the other two fight. While he waits -- waits until the survivor is so exhausted that he cannot defend himself. And then like SPECTRE, he strikes'.

I think we might be seeing a potential invasion from the UNKNOWN REGIONS. A race of powerful beings that are the architects of all that we are witnessing play out.

Spoiler: MSW Spoiler

Rumours of a McGuffin moving the plot

could be the search for some kind of portal that leads these beings into the known galaxy or perhaps yet another map to where they actually reside? It may be that JJ is able to use a few of the Luke Skywalker/Achtoo threads to spin into this plot.

What such a story may enable is not only a climatic end to the Skywalker story but an avenue to explore for future films as well.

 

Hopefully Finn & Rose reunite with the broom boy who finally speaks.

 

This has a Yuuzhan Vong-ish feel to it. That would be an interesting turn of events (and as you say, lay the ground work for films going forward). Before TLJ some of us were suggesting that a multi-combatant war (where there were more than 2 fighting factions) would at least provide something new. Uneasy alliances, betrayal, asymmetric war dynamics. I think it would be really interesting

 

Spoiler: Rumors for IX

These rumors about an apparent threat from "Beyond", as skeptical as I am of them, seem interesting.

I think it's easy as fans to think "it must be the Chiss" or "the Vong, for sure!"

And it's possible that's the case.

But, if these rumors have any truth to them, I'd be pretty sure it's something else, probably something more Force related (outside of the Vong's arguments, which I'll get to later).

I think this is the case because, frankly, the idea of an alien invasion wouldn't work for most moviegoing audiences because most people really don't understand galactic geography for it to really make enough sense to them. As much as fanboys and fangirls like us would giggle in delight at seeing Thrawn emerge from hyperspace to do battle with Kylo's flagship, he'd be just another alien species to most people, because in Star Wars almost everything is alien in our traditional sense. Seeing a blue-skinned Chiss would probably actually seem pretty normal compared to something like an Ithorian or even a Rodian, really. Heck, as alien as the Chiss really are to the Star Wars universe, they're actually surprisingly one of the more human seeming races outside of that blue tint.

The Vong would be a little more interesting, given their status to the Force, but it simply doesn't have the same effect in this canon as Legends, given one obvious difference- the amount of Force sensitives around. In Legends, the Vong were basically the last big threat to the Republic because the new Jedi Order simply wasn't as effective against them as they'd be with any other enemy. In this canon, there are like two remaining force sensitives currently in the conflict that we can confirm (at least, as far as I know), so it's not really as poignant of a difference. Force "immune" or not, it doesn't really make a huge difference. A "situational" ability, for my tabletop gaming friends.

I guess their weird organic aesthetic would make them seem a little more alien, but I just don't know how much that would pay off. I mean, it would be cool, but is it really that relevant to anything we've seen before enough to justify ending the Skywalker Saga with?

The only reason I think it is something more dark side related is because, well, that's kind of what all this has been about. Rumors are it's the Knights or Ren, and I think that's a pretty fair guess. Maybe something Old Republic too, or anything dark and mysterious- still possibilities that it'll connect to the upcoming unannounced films, I'd imagine.

Now, could the Knights be leading an alien army like the Chiss or Vong? Maybe. I'd imagine they'd have some army, at least. Just depends on if Disney wants to throw out a big bone to fans like us, or would rather avoid all of our obnoxious fangasms in theaters as the majority of the moviegoers stare in confusion.

 

Spoiler

If not the Chiss of the Vong, what about the Eternal Empire? They are more human like, they are Force Users, there's an existing history, they're located in the unknown regions (well at least Zakuul is), could open up a new front in the galaxy and could provide a origin story for Snoke. It could work. I'm not saying that they would, but of the problems you named it seems like this could answer them.

 

Based on the ending of The Last Jedi we know that a New Rebellion will rise up and take down the First Order. Maybe the movie could begin with the final battle and the fall of the First Order. Then the rest of the movie we could see something completely different.

 

Yes, let's start with a crawl that tells us that through Lukes sacrifice Hope has returned ans several systems joined the resellion, and we're up for a final battle to take out the FO. Just when the battle is at a crucial point. We see a bunch of ships full of Snokes "family" arrive about to attack the whole party. Now there is the question (and maybe some conflict between Hux & Kylo) whether to join forces with the enemy to kick out the aliens or to try to use the distraction to take out the FO/Rebistance.

 

Yes. Yes. Yes.

They could even tie in Leia's death to this. She helps the Resistance best the FO and then, at the climax of this great opening battle (when both sides are depleted), in comes a new invasion to wipe both sides out. They then are forced to join forces which ends the conflict that has plagued the galaxy for a millennia...but then of course, begins a new fight.

 

very interesting.

i'd like to throw some bones into that to be gnawed...
Snoke was never all that bothered about the FO beating the republic/resistance. All he cared about was stopping Skywalker forging a new crew of Jedi.. he feared that. He very nonchalantly agreed to Hux's suggestion of firing upon the Hosnian system.. it was like 'yeah.. go on then'. I never once got the impression that Snoke wanted what Palpatine wanted.

Kylo Ren. has he been aware all this time that a bigger threat is coming? as well as the dark side consuming him and ridiculous portions of daddy issues muddying his every thought.. has he also been dealing with the knowledge that something bigger than the current conflict is on it's way?

Palpatine. He was making preparations for something... he sensed something. did the character of Snoke throw us off us all thinking that a bigger threat from the unknown regions was coming?

Knights of Ren. have we been fooled by the fact that not all of Luke's students may have been killed? did the force back vision and Snoke calling Kylo 'Master of the Knights of Ren' fool us into thinking that Ren has half a dozen ex Jedi that he turned into his crew? Was Rey actually seeing a vision of an invasion in the force back.. and has it been cloaked from us by only showing a specific few soldiers? Had Snoke intended Ren to be the General of an invasion force... a force that he coined as Kylo's "Knights of Ren"? or was he using him as a simple pawn to mop up the last of the Jedi?

Thrawn & Bridger. now i'm not saying that either are gonna make a last minute appearance in the saga... i think that would be weird, but they are big players that are unaccounted for.. characters we believe ended up in the unknown regions. @master_shaitan if there's one character that would employ a long game spectre-like plan like the one you are suggesting.. it's the tall fella that drank too much blue milk.

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in my opinion, the MSW rumors have made elements from TFA, TLJ and some recent SW novels... absolutely fascinating.

 

I had no idea what the plot of VIII was going to be but obviously we knew a significant amount would involve Rey, Luke and Jedi training.

I can't begin to guess at what it is going to be about. I have no idea where they are going to take the story, no idea if they intend to even to bring an end to the First Order, etc.

 

Good thoughts. Re; Ren - I don't think he knows about it (if it is real). Snoke was using him from the get-go, merely to get to Luke. As Han said, once he gets that he'll crush Ren. Obviously, that didn't play out. The Jedi survived. And Ren killed Snoke. It was a setback for whoever these beings are, if they indeed exist.

But what it enabled was for Ren to take over the FO. Though I imagine, compared to wherever Snoke comes from, they're small fry. And that is what Ren will realise when the invasion happened. He never has a hope of ruling the galaxy. It was always "bigger than him". This could be what sets him on a different course and gets him to the table with Rey and the Resistance.

We've been led to believe that Ren and the FO are doing what they doing because they want order in the galaxy. In general terms, that isn't evil. But how they have been led to achieve this, is of course evil. But they either don't realise it or have all gone so far down the dark path, they didn't think themselves capable of returning. But now they will see that if they want peace in the galaxy, if they want order, they will have to come together with the Resistance for this new group threatens the galaxy as a whole.

You bring up an interesting point about the KoR and it has got me wondering. JJ always wanted to have them play a big role. And I imagine that the Ren are likely fallen students of Luke. But I don't imagine they're like the evil Sith. They simply have a warped point of view and thus could easily come on side with the good guys if Kylo persuades them. Anyway, what if the flashback is indeed a flash-forward and what we're witnessing is the moment the KoR agree to help Rey and the Resistance? The Last Jedi showed us how the dark and light siders can cooperate together. Perhaps it was a pre-cursor to what happens in IX?

As for Thrawn and Bridger. My instincts tell me that they're not a part of this and there would be too much exposition. I feel that if there is more stories about them, it'll come in the animations and exists within the unknown regions to create a whole new and different story outside the realms of the Skywalker saga. In my heart, I hope that Plagueis still has a role in this. No, I don't think he has to be Snoke. But perhaps Plagueis in his quest for power learned of this supreme alien race in the UR and perhaps after cheating death went to them. Perhaps he even resurrected them (destroyed by the Jedi in a long forgotten past)? This could then explain Snoke's appearance. Plagueis brought them back to life and eventually Snoke was chosen to lead the fight against the Jedi.

The original plan could've been for Plagueis to create Anakin so he would do the dirty work for him? Destroy the Jedi and the Sith - leaving the galaxy for the taking? But this was thwarted by the jedi/Luke. Plagueis then looks to corrupt the bloodline and make use of the Skywalker bloodline. Would go some way to explain Snoke's knowledge of the family and his obsession - 'A new...Vaaaaderrrrrr'. Essentially, the death of Vader before he destroyed the Jedi and Sith was a set back but the job could still be finished.

Now Snoke failed and Ren has become a loose canon. But the war rages regardless and victory could be in sight for this new alien race. And if IX begins with the end of the FO/Resistance war with both sides depleted, they could be slim pickings for this new dark force. Light and dark will have to join forces - balance - in order to combat this threat. And in order for victory, they have to destroy the man who started all this and holds the key to eternal life...Darth Plagueis The Wise...

 

in a certain way, perhaps it is better like that... no expectation = no disappointment



however what I've read above in the last posts is just ... amagaaaaaaaaaad !
Ending the Skywalker saga, along with ending the long-standing Sith/Jedi rivalry, facing a totally new threat forcing the ancien antagonists to ally.... waow ! this is so powerful!

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 7, 2019, Original Post Date: Feb 7, 2019 ---

tt tt tt ttt tt.... the muun...

 

Just carrying on from the above post, I recall Boyega saying: “It will be the war to END all wars”.

That ties in exactly to what I think. The light and dark joining forces to battle new threat. When they win, they’ll be united and the conflict that has gone on over a millennia will end. So it could be a play of words by Boyega. Not just a huge war, but literally the war that ends all wars...

 

Could be. Of course, it would need to be: "It will be the war to END all [current] wars", otherwise it wouldn't be Star Wars anymore

And if the light and dark do join forces against a new threat, what could the resulting political state be? A New Republic (again)? A "wise person" takes charge (as young Anakin wondered), very unlikely? Other?

I'd enjoy if this is where they're going with IX, but I wonder what the major war aftermath would be. Or, perhaps Star Wars: Aftermath could be the 1st title for a new trilogy.